From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.orgmode Subject: Re: Sync up the org in emacs master to org maint branch? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211857 gmane.emacs.orgmode:111834 Archived-At: >>>>> "DE" == David Engster writes: DE> Also, I currently have no idea how to continue with CEDET, as the future DE> where development should happen is unclear, and I get the feeling we're DE> just waisting our time with the ongoing merge. Until the dust has settled, please proceed, assuming nothing has changed. Move your primary development into Emacs.git. The changes I'm proposing don't have to happen tomorrow, and I can still be convinced they're unnecessary. My gut tells me, however, that we're supporting an unnecessarily monolithic development model for no better reason than "we're used to it". In fact, what we're doing feels like if Python included Django in its main repository, just to solve Django's problems of compatibility, testing, and making its bugs known to the main Python developers. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2