From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tak Kunihiro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: menu-bar-help-menu Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:02:28 +0900 Message-ID: References: <20181116.132016.345008228744400751.tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp> <83d0r5795f.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1542412848 23464 195.159.176.226 (17 Nov 2018 00:00:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 00:00:48 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (darwin) Cc: tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 17 01:00:43 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gNo2U-00060a-Kt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 01:00:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47471 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNo4Y-0003rT-1r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:02:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36868) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNo4S-0003rM-K8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:02:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNo4K-0005r0-9E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:02:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-x42f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::42f]:42418) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNo4J-0005qc-P5; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:02:36 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id 64so7645939pfr.9; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 16:02:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=YYVwP70AhaAffNqv0LcFY2A7N3hUb4qz1M90UTJCc7E=; b=RxlbY8VTSBSIgWlnXTXlE8ADmIEB3aHFaW6G/BPY3avF0Vq13H6swbIlLIdH8cDWcz Bxy1uzUx2J2VfgC8oUSlaIxwyHG5ona/lku+l0fvZYCcxAX3hwlPM8TmuCX5M6UM8r+d 0wQmD/5TNNEFzf5ycaWfWWQE8sItxbqrIUNL/F8EcOqtZBeTFW3TLgYWhO6+Kv38Ixt+ VChhfLD2Cbv+v33mYi+tILiId0tK958P33wCSCvDCKcCwo34a2c5kaQtDZQrV3vMpxRJ j7VQ9hl1KwFoQp9B3x55VbBaZn/ScGPrKO+LzrpWnNjM1sGaR+yYR7U3vgz2bL9c6x8b lACQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=YYVwP70AhaAffNqv0LcFY2A7N3hUb4qz1M90UTJCc7E=; b=RIE/ZbrnwpiwA2lV1Qr7kkQkbI2OqyG+KAodCnhB/UEpM3crkT6yC2Kjtd389LQe+f Ci/g5zrLCY+rFlKdqv6j0kq09+IOEgtOG+QnJrgj0Z8IJQOfSFJ/QOSYd0GjZ3AtbmYv tdXmFAJnMM7qc2GMgJvrwEKhaTLqYIdSEQl5QNjMlGhsHPAeQ9y98L/MdfBlnOMOjS1O Vpvu8X6tyH+/kcPRdpsD0rFMmDF/EikGMptcl8bUaaIpfN7gSwxO2agynePtJ0eHVUGA +oxhd49MuuzyVPT8wTmlYWXDPoMk5t6lCkyyAnW7oaztuzZoMyopPdEZ4k2mghL8DO6B /znQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJ4J0AG3n/Bw3pjavt19Ms0DnUxL7TgGvrbWAQmJBSC9l/GUyRj 0aYO+Zs3v86j6Kma5rfscpM2Z9vp X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5fzvmP8p/rHd5xaS9igazmNRmFgMkFQKDOuilGv/MYACEdGnLwqUy4Wml6GwZqV99dZylmdvg== X-Received: by 2002:a63:2c0e:: with SMTP id s14mr12082973pgs.132.1542412954443; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 16:02:34 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from DreamBook2017.local (p79066-ipngn200201tottori.tottori.ocn.ne.jp. [114.176.70.66]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 78sm15627749pft.184.2018.11.16.16.02.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 16 Nov 2018 16:02:33 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: Tak Kunihiro In-Reply-To: <83d0r5795f.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:51:08 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::42f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:231207 Archived-At: >> I often find help menu to be very useful. I think the word "Emacs" is >> too often shown up in the help menu. Most of "Emacs" in the help menu >> could be taken out to read better. I propose the new help menu as >> shown below. > > FWIW, I think removing "Emacs" from these items will make their intent > less clear. I also don't understand how their presence can make the > items less readable, can you explain? When I click `Help' I suppose that all items would be related with Emacs. However, because some items are with explicit "Emacs", I notice that that is not always the case. Actually the item `About GNU' is not directly related with Emacs. Then it is unclear if `How to report a Bug' and `Send Bug Report...' are related with Emacs, GNU, or something else. If "Emacs" is taken out, it is clear all items expect for `About GNU' are about Emacs.