From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: burton@openprivacy.org (Kevin A. Burton (burtonator)) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] XSLT-process 2.2 available Date: 16 Jan 2003 22:12:11 -0800 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <2B36CBC4-2442-11D7-A883-00039398D61E@apache.org> <873cnr1az0.fsf@pooh-sticks-bridge.tapsellferrier.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1042856262 9458 80.91.224.249 (18 Jan 2003 02:17:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 02:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18ZiYG-0002SQ-00 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 03:17:40 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18Zihx-0004rb-00 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 03:27:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18ZiYN-0004yc-00 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:17:47 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18ZiXn-0004fU-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:17:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18ZiX1-0003af-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:16:32 -0500 Original-Received: from dsl081-061-015.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.61.15] helo=openprivacy.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18ZiWg-0002eD-00; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:16:02 -0500 Original-Received: from openprivacy.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])h0I2G1sA000953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:16:01 -0800 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by openprivacy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) id h0I2G0KT000941; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:16:00 -0800 Original-To: Nic Ferrier In-Reply-To: <873cnr1az0.fsf@pooh-sticks-bridge.tapsellferrier.co.uk> Original-Lines: 57 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2.93 Original-cc: rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:10834 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:10834 Nic Ferrier writes: > burton@openprivacy.org (Kevin A. Burton (burtonator)) writes: > > > Richard Stallman writes: > > > > > I would bet good money that Xalan will not compile on GCJ. It might > > > require some modifications to get working. I wanted to spend some time > > > documenting the difference between GCJ and JDK 1.4 and will do that in a > > > month or so when I port over NewsMonster. > > > > > > Is anyone interested in trying Xalan in GCJ and seeing if it does work? > > > > > > We can't consider XSLT-process as a legitimate part of the free software world > > > if it needs JDK to run. Fixing this ought to be the highest priority. > > > > Give me a little time... it is on my list of things to do but I need about 3-4 > > weeks to get around to it. > > > > Getting Xalan working on GCJ and a Free Software environment is of high priority > > for me too. Very high priority... > > Out of interest: Why aren't you just using libxml/libxslt from the GNU > project? A number of reasons... Xalan and Xerces are literally the best XML/XSLT impls I have ever played with. They also support an advanced plugin/extension API and I can do really amazing things with them under Java. As is the case Java is not Free Software which makes the situation bad. For a while there I was taking a balanced approach (this was a decision I made 5 years ago btw) and I think it is the perfect example of why people should NEVER use non-free software. My current goals are to move go GCJ and encourage SUN to do the right thing when it comes to Java and make it Free Software. This is a *big* move for me as I have use a lot of the libraries under Jakarta (I used to be a fulltime developer there) and a lot of them require code from the standard JDK. Of course part of my migration to GCJ is going to be working on the stdlib so that I can compile complex appls like Xalan on GCJ. Kevin -- Kevin A. Burton ( burton@apache.org, burton@openprivacy.org, burton@peerfear.org ) Location - San Francisco, CA, Cell - 415.595.9965 AIM - sfburtonator, Web - http://www.peerfear.org/ GPG fingerprint: 4D20 40A0 C734 307E C7B4 DCAA 0303 3AC5 BD9D 7C4D IRC - openprojects.net #infoanarchy | #p2p-hackers | #reptile Whenever there is a conflict between human rights and property rights, human rights must prevail. -- Abraham Lincoln