From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: .emacs-settings.el Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:21:05 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: References: <60282.128.165.123.18.1189002441.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <87k5r350o5.fsf@jurta.org> <87veanixv5.fsf@cadilhac.name> <857in3bnav.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189110102 20539 80.91.229.12 (6 Sep 2007 20:21:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:21:42 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 06 22:21:41 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ITNr0-0000U6-Tt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:21:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITNqy-0001QT-PQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:21:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ITNqw-0001Q4-3b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:21:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ITNqu-0001Pm-GV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:21:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITNqu-0001Pj-AT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:21:24 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ITNqu-0005ZQ-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:21:24 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ITNqk-0007zH-QZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:21:14 +0200 Original-Received: from c-24-14-57-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.14.57.89]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:21:14 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-24-14-57-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:21:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-24-14-57-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:3om5+sL+zSPhew4o6eQeXGbCer4= X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78022 Archived-At: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:34:32 +0200 David Kastrup wrote: DK> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:04:30 +0200 michael@cadilhac.name (Michaël Cadilhac) wrote: >> MC> Ted Zlatanov writes: >>>> I would not make it hidden, to avoid surprises: project.el >> MC> So sad the features of project.el will not be usable in the lisp/ MC> directory of Emacs, then :-) >> >> I think surprising the user is a bad thing, so I'd rather not have a >> hidden file. The penalty of name conflicts is not as bad as using >> hidden data to influence an application's behavior. DK> Uh, you are arguing against _any_ file with a .* name right now: all DK> of them are used to influence an application's behavior without DK> cluttering directory listings. DK> So I don't buy this argument. I think you've missed the difference between a hidden file anywhere in the directory tree and in a well-known location. We're talking about a {project,dir-locals}.el file that in /a, /a/b, /a/b/c, or /a/b/c/d could affect the settings for /a/b/c/d/* and every file under that. You'd have to do a `find` to get all the hidden files (or some equivalent shell game). That's what I mean by "suprising" and "hidden." Only a few applications put such hidden settings files outside the home directory, I can think only of the CVS .cvsignore and Subversion .svn directories at the moment. Emacs doesn't do that AFAIK, so it would be at least a little surprising to current users. I personally think it would be a bad design decision. Files like .emacs, .profile, etc. are in a single, well-known location, so they are easy to find. This compensates for their invisibility (whether that's a good design decision is another discussion that's not pertinent). Ted