From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 23:04:17 -0700 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <83fv1r3gzp.fsf@gnu.org> <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <871tcyexa9.fsf@fimbulvetr.bsc.es> <87612a7my2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <561DC925.5050001@siege-engine.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444802730 26258 80.91.229.3 (14 Oct 2015 06:05:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 06:05:30 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 14 08:05:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmFBl-00083j-E3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 08:05:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40637 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmFBk-0006yu-OQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:05:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59450) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmFAn-0006qa-8Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:04:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmFAj-0001i1-Vo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:04:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22e]:35543) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmFAj-0001hx-Qu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:04:21 -0400 Original-Received: by padcn9 with SMTP id cn9so13128802pad.2 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 23:04:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=PR/1IuSqsrpVPDVYdoCbAFkTBUgFL5P8Lk2D222vL9Y=; b=ntv2xYX3fy5c/mjPE8Up1QHKEo/ZpYO2HL6tvJLsg7TxVFoX9VOHFldX2oU3yO13Sh TZZJknEh48sCgD+cLOb5+bziaYa5A6w5usMiYPnNRzh8hmupN3NapnRpbwBCik3E2yB0 YboXrHKbcpIJ+tlu655mibDiAPHCDpjU2R//Lvzfgztk9m68E/MGnNrGSc4+R3JNW2O6 H0MiE7YqHLUSV0Z851RSDd0LnX/Wzdmxu+onIJU0PH+wLqjTfMtbfF+VRbZAkyjWkzvy w+92pB9eLnV82hBAvebvXV9ldvKdLGSBBzK3IwToKrouhqu9FVUtQIVKYgvsofXDw10j Kd8Q== X-Received: by 10.68.92.164 with SMTP id cn4mr1758033pbb.156.1444802661194; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 23:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w9sm7251568pbt.29.2015.10.13.23.04.19 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Oct 2015 23:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 97CC8F2DDCF6; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 23:04:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <561DC925.5050001@siege-engine.com> (Eric Ludlam's message of "Tue, 13 Oct 2015 23:16:53 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191528 Archived-At: >>>>> Eric Ludlam writes: > My main concern is about folks claiming CEDET is complicated (which it is) > then oversimplifying the problem space to kick off some new thing which will > likely end up just as complicated. > I know I thought the problem space seemed simple when I started. I might not > have started if I'd known how big it is. I appreciate your experience and point of view in this, Eric, and definitely want you to be a part of this conversation. This same phenomenon happens with build tools: there's a new one almost every year, because everyone thinks they're trivial, yet no one has ever fully solved the problem. John