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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ir5sm5737688pbc.13.2015.11.10.12.32.24 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:32:25 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.attlocal.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id 532461053F93D; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:32:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <874mgtsjwn.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> (David Engster's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:02:00 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: David Engster , Stephen Leake , aaronecay@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193963 Archived-At: >>>>> David Engster writes: > the main question is whether something provides infrastructure for other > packages to use. Sounds like a good sentence for an ELPA policy. :) > It is still not clear to me what exactly is gained by moving core packages > to ELPA. Agility. What is appropriate. Knowing when a thing goes into core, and when in ELPA. Org is an application, it's not infrastructure; the same with Gnus. *Parts* of Gnus might rightly be considered infrastructure, but the whole of Gnus just doesn't belong there. Parts of CEDET probably do belong in Emacs core, but as an application, I don't think the whole of it does. Since we don't have an agreed upon basis by which to draw such lines, we're both talking about what we feel is right. Let's agree to revisit after having the ELPA discussion. John