From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bug#40248: 27.0.90; Failure open .authinfo.gpg from Gnus Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 21:53:13 +0200 Message-ID: References: <86bloi1zrj.fsf@csic.es> <83lfnm8b30.fsf@gnu.org> <83ftdt9b1d.fsf@gnu.org> <86sght3h1s.fsf@csic.es> <834ku89anf.fsf@gnu.org> <87a740ub2r.fsf@gnus.org> <83tv287s9j.fsf@gnu.org> <874ku7txho.fsf@gnus.org> <83imin5l0w.fsf@gnu.org> <87blocrgtb.fsf@igel.home> <877dz0rf2v.fsf@igel.home> <83y2rgz9qy.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="11637"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, schwab@linux-m68k.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 31 21:54:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jJMxZ-0002uX-NH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 21:54:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43630 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jJMxY-0002A1-Np for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 15:54:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48647) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jJMwo-0001bH-C8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 15:53:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jJMwn-0001vE-4i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 15:53:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x32c.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::32c]:56154) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jJMwm-0001so-Um; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 15:53:17 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id r16so3890768wmg.5; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:53:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kedoBgN7GSAS22yBBi1ypAVwpwpSxZBdMlTTgQKfPeA=; b=oaWd3JxfGoZiQ/d+gN/jzLvh5j+7QBSTaxUX+Nli/lcsdGM9Pk/8nP4jpaWnqEpCHl C2tGBQ/WJBPyprJ6wp5rRvwkSInZL0TaPeeHCq5WHaqb/fF4Qvy5Hpxzi5pGpDJl7WsL kBV04ahnCUly5zmau0MhfUET/zDuch9pm2ZTyeuxvpAG4S5scaDZmPtN7Vn+jkYnxibW LrNmkaEj5Oioiv46hYTuzb4e1OCwPLGulgamdZaRw62QnUGWPWYBNHnTCW5B+XIcK9NA aVDrb/8BRnOOTIkmBL4vBXzsu75KDIpBjOgoyQLTNHF5uaR0UQuf8wBtltXZ4ftoJzJa fYNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kedoBgN7GSAS22yBBi1ypAVwpwpSxZBdMlTTgQKfPeA=; b=CWYvScaAxHzrY5/xb29CfmRe4otWZaaEjXetaSawNDr6xiL+D8KItbD4vKMUVT15WY P9QFcknsmNYua9T/o5HMcki/TZ0bdALk1+AxfEpfN+WnXovpBk05016WrWOnpbBvm9hs OKIIrImNeIky9i2uz0mVB6ygLZihRXkQub3GPqaD12G/ZhmbPc6vQLrQ9C6FmJtXeAUw rGWN/fe1dIKkzIKbvhk4d1fibSStzgHnX94uxlC++TH5AoS9ZjOYujJOdqASSAPKJJ5T joboKb0fBVblIdovBC+BbkoXU9XmtaKsPQM6FjopB+UR8YswtlMkykrWOvcu63bbtfts Ha/g== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaLXXFnGkDLC4oO3l3XYTsMRzNoKX7IUhPX8m3uxdb9pHEyyp7O irgJ74UETPJhMRBwoE+ZvLXDBrbC X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJfWdeYQB3n0IF2Fio8tBkCZ6wG1fWkO3ErLAWvrrGWVCxAQZZFlqHSZ2RBdAifevDL43tuYQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:21d4:: with SMTP id x20mr449775wmj.77.1585684395188; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from rpluim-mac ([2a01:e34:ecfc:a860:65f2:9a92:2c96:9204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h5sm27683179wro.83.2020.03.31.12.53.13 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <83y2rgz9qy.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 31 Mar 2020 20:59:01 +0300") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:246159 Archived-At: >>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 20:59:01 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: >> From: Robert Pluim >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen , >> emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 18:13:10 +0200 >>=20 >> Now that I=CA=BCve actually tested it, the change looks like this, m= aking >> make-network-process and make-serial process behave the same as >> make-process and make-pipe-process. I=CA=BCve looked at all uses of = those >> two functions in Emacs' sources, and none of them depend on the chan= ge >> in semantics, in fact only a couple of them actually pass a :coding >> keyword. Eli> Nevertheless, we should call out this change in NEWS. That goes without saying. Probably put a note somewhere in the elisp manual as well. >> Having said all that, this does go back a looooong way (2002 at >> least), so maybe we want to let sleeping dogs lie. Eli> I don't think this is a risky change. Programs that assume what we Eli> currently do rely on undefined behavior, IMO. Well, it=CA=BCs not undefined in the 'C' sense of undefined at least :-) I=CA=BCll finish it up, and then convert at least Gnus over to use it. Robert