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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312752 Archived-At: Michael Heerdegen writes: > The only relevant question for me in this message is: is an improved > seq.el good enough to replace the sequence functions in cl-lib? I think > it is. The real issue is hidden in there: why do "we" need to replace cl-lib again? IOW, I think the "seq.el question" is only part of something else going on.