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[2003:e0:b715:6f00:dce:ccb8:4ca1:ba38]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5d80701c94csm14588835a12.85.2024.12.30.04.00.24 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 30 Dec 2024 04:00:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87zfkd1mb9.fsf@protonmail.com> (Pip Cet's message of "Mon, 30 Dec 2024 10:46:28 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::52a; envelope-from=gerd.moellmann@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-x52a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327412 Archived-At: Pip Cet writes: > Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: > >> Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: >> Anyway, it definitely seems to be the case that MPS is _not_ running GCs >> concurrently, unless it would do things that I find highly unlikely. >> >> I find that a bit, let's say, disappointing, TBH :-(. > > Well, I think that MPS is bring-your-own-thread concurrent. I'm not > sure the current MPS can usefully be concurrent, because of the thread > suspension thing, but we can run it in another thread if we want to. > > (If it turns out that using a separate thread isn't an advantage, we > should look at reducing the size of our roots (or protecting them) > rather than giving up on the idea entirely. As long as other threads > freely move references to and from global roots, detecting unreachable > objects is hard.) > > Pip If they had said something, maybe I'd not tried to use MPS in Emacs. Or maybe I would who knows. Anyway, I must say that Emacs with igc feels a lot better and is as stable. I don't think I'll ever go back :-).