From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sascha Wilde Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: pgg-encrypt is a pain in the neck Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:41:21 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8f26a84d-356a-44f1-ac6a-54792380b76d@well-done.deisui.org> <93fed91b-cb8a-4de7-9a16-62c85654bab6@well-done.deisui.org> <6662a3b9-1148-4aa0-bd2d-29a67be38d76@well-done.deisui.org> <5a520e06-4ee3-4c4f-9345-d49a666516f9@well-done.deisui.org> <7f60c21d-2f66-4c4b-9abb-e377ca24a153@well-done.deisui.org> <844cd50a-ec18-4b09-a057-35bdfb5173fd@well-done.deisui.org> <8ba25607-9381-4a27-ae53-8b0f3ccc3ac1@well-done.deisui.org> <366fa6ab-42a0-4df5-a17f-4ac3d1744d78@well-done.deisui.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167507713 22060 80.91.229.12 (30 Dec 2006 19:41:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: peterb@kenny.sha-bang.de, rms@kenny.sha-bang.de, Daiki Ueno , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Reiner Steib Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 30 20:41:50 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H0k5Q-0001ns-Dl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:41:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0k5P-0001xd-T9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:41:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H0k5C-0001xK-VH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H0k5A-0001wr-R6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0k5A-0001wo-Nn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:41:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [62.141.58.119] (helo=km1136.keymachine.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1H0k59-00065P-6t; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:41:27 -0500 Original-Received: from kenny.sha-bang.de (xdslcq057.osnanet.de [89.166.144.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by km1136.keymachine.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.10) with ESMTP id kBUJfI7W006358; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:41:18 +0100 Original-Received: from wilde by kenny.sha-bang.de with local (Kenny MUA v.0409034.42) ID 1H0k53-0000jv-GQ; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:41:21 +0100 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat\, 30 Dec 2006 13\:24\:17 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:64521 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: Hi Richard, [...] > This is not an adequate replacement for mailcrypt, not as it currently > works. We need to fix it now. AFAIK pgg was never meant to be a replacement for mailcrypt on its own. It was included with gnus and together with it (more specific: message mode using MML) it builds a full blown, easy to use, mail encryption tool -- but pgg one is not capable of much more than en-/decrypting text using a OpenPGP backend (mostly GnuPG). > One way to fix pgg-encrypt would be to give it heuristics like the > ones mailcrypt-encrypt uses. Another would be to declare pgg-encrypt > to be a "low level" interface, reliable for programs with no DWIM, and > define a different command for users to encrypt their messages. PGG is rather "low level" in context of mail encryption, but please bear in mind, that there are other uses for GnuPG: You can encrypt other private or confidential stuff just to keep it safe without sending it per mail, and that's where the currently available user functions come in handy. I agree, that a more generic solution might be worthwhile, but I don't think that pgg is "broke" or needs to be "fixed" in this regard. Btw. I think one source of this problem is that we currently have two (or more?) mail composition modes in Emacs: message mode coming from gnus and mail mode. I'm quite certain, that there are more features besides encryption which are only available in one of them. Disclaimer, this is not intended to be a flame bait. ;-) cheers sascha -- Sascha Wilde : VI is to EMACS as masturbation is to making love: : effective and always available but probably not your : first choice...