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From: Dave Abrahams <dave@boostpro.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Should undefined behavior be encouraged in Emacs?
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 22:18:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m27h4lwlbr.fsf@pluto.luannocracy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1RAuDy-00063B-VS@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:55:14 -0400")


on Mon Oct 03 2011, Richard Stallman <rms-AT-gnu.org> wrote:

>     > In simple cases such as (goto-char -5), users tend to see what the
>     > behavior is, and are likely to write code that depends on it, even if
>     > it isn't documented.  Thus, leaving it undocumented doesn't mean that
>     > we can change it and nobody will notice.
>
>     If you make it a hard, inescapable error, that won't happen.
>
> That is true; this would pressure everyone to carefully make sure not
> to supply out-of-range arguments.  But is that goal really more
> desirable than the convenience of rounding out-of-range arguments?

I would say it depends on the argument and its meaning.  I remember when
I was working on a MIDI sequencer whose routines would assert that all
times used were nonnegative.  For my code, that was a major PITA.  I
would say the same probably applies to character positions.

Other arguments can't be so easily rounded (an int passed where a string
is expected), and probably some that can just shouldn't be
(e.g. indexing a vector).

-- 
Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com



  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-04  2:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-03  1:39 Should undefined behavior be encouraged in Emacs? Paul Eggert
2011-10-03  3:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-03  6:39   ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03  7:29     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-03  8:58       ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-06  2:17         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-06 17:30           ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-06 19:49             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-06 20:08               ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-06 20:12                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-06 20:46                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-07  5:23                   ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-07  7:44                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-07  7:52                     ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 17:27                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-07  8:38                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-10-07 15:26                   ` Barry Warsaw
2011-10-07 18:06                     ` ken manheimer
2011-10-07 18:21                       ` Barry Warsaw
2011-10-07 18:46                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-07 19:59                         ` ken manheimer
2011-10-07 18:41                     ` Drew Adams
2011-10-08 13:49                   ` Miles Bader
2011-10-08 14:34                     ` Drew Adams
2011-10-03 13:16       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-03  9:20   ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-10-03  9:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-03  8:29 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-03  9:53   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-03 13:13 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-03 15:15   ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-04  1:55     ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-04  2:18       ` Dave Abrahams [this message]
2011-10-03 16:14   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-03 16:27     ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-03 16:41       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-04  1:55     ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-03 20:53   ` Paul Eggert
2011-10-03 14:49 ` Dave Abrahams

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