From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Helmut Eller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: cl-functions do not honor common-lisp-indent-function Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:57:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87623rmtyy.fsf@gmail.com> <87a9t14551.fsf@gmail.com> <87han9tbzv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1356526681 23835 80.91.229.3 (26 Dec 2012 12:58:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 26 13:58:17 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TnqYn-0001YN-Ah for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:58:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33266 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TnqYZ-0003up-0F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:57:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44043) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TnqYW-0003uW-Pq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:57:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TnqYV-0000gM-RL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:57:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com ([209.85.212.174]:49760) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TnqYV-0000gI-Lf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:57:55 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id hm9so7202204wib.1 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 04:57:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=vPVXye/5I9IF5ROlwLyqGWZmpTLQt5nuqIWoL4U+srQ=; b=kQXYyddxKSVeUrUp/oEEQiJb4AJFmDBEFxc+O4iF020eBsKr5Ed/kbbM1WKVl70q7g SXagZXg2jbnQyotbpMU1fvo1ep5plAb0w4UqxlNAyqsINvgW6UhrAYnHhrS5KSxSTVev 245AsTEM2fO5/8LARGbjkZ+6wlX4GpkxqxTELB8UYhJUY5mArHWphLcDLorJtK8MwASr SGHXLIAFMbh8YMHFOV6J5WInvkVI/6uvqkFeP4sP4u7YZzOt9d+qQPJyrToueJUn3bvf rfNRjz8b1JlSPTRni1tDlUbuPnnTdX5yjiLT5McB1pSHfu9Tw8xAZhf197x2efpOvvGe 83WQ== X-Received: by 10.180.102.230 with SMTP id fr6mr42982486wib.4.1356526674530; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 04:57:54 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ix (dial-189074.pool.broadband44.net. [212.46.189.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p2sm43814332wic.7.2012.12.26.04.57.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Dec 2012 04:57:53 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from helmut by ix with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TnqYO-0000cj-KK; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:57:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87han9tbzv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:10:28 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.212.174 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155896 Archived-At: On Wed, Dec 26 2012, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Helmut Eller writes: > > > Those cl-* symbols have no (predefined) meaning for Common Lisp so > > shouldn't be in cl-indent.el; for the same reason there shouldn't be > > rules for save-excursion or condition-case. > > That is irrelevant. Why? Why should common-lisp-indent-function, by default, implement something other than the Common Lisp conventions? Should scheme-indent-function also support Emacs Lisp macros like cl-flet? > If the user thinks of these symbols as equivalent > to "real" Common Lisp standard symbols, then the user has every right > to ask Emacs to treat them as Common Lisp symbols. An Emacs Lisp user or for that matter a Scheme user has not "every right" to dictate the indentation rules for Common Lisp users. Helmut