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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id cs5sm6185107pbc.15.2015.11.10.15.32.32 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:32:32 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.attlocal.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1915310540ACD; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:32:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <867flp8nb7.fsf@stephe-leake.org> (Stephen Leake's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:08:44 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Stephen Leake , David Engster , aaronecay@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , Stromeko@nexgo.de, Dmitry Gutov , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194001 Archived-At: >>>>> Stephen Leake writes: > I think the distinction between "tarball package" and "core package" is > helpful here. > > I'm guessing that the main motivation for including Org and Gnus in Emacs > git (well, CVS back then?) was to include them in the release tarball. If we > have a mechanism to allow that for ELPA packages, moving them to ELPA makes > sense. I like this. I think we have a good striation: core tarball ELPA net ELPA To the user, core and tarball ELPA should be indistinguishable. I think also that some tarball ELPA packages should come "pre-installed", if that is not already done. This would makes them accessible via autoload, rather than requiring the package interface to opt-in. If core == tarball ELPA for everyone but us, this makes the decision easy whether something should be in core or not a lot: We put it in core if core requires it. If nothing at all in core uses the package -- and if that package doesn't define "essential" functionality, like isearch.el or grep.el -- it can shift to tarball ELPA. This still leaves open the meaning of "essential", but it does make the picture clearer. John