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[76.234.69.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y6sm5314002pge.16.2016.12.01.23.57.09 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Dec 2016 23:57:09 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5C6B4486B0A3; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 23:57:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Filipe Silva's message of "Thu, 1 Dec 2016 17:37:55 -0200") Mail-Followup-To: Filipe Silva , David Requena Zabala , "emacs-devel\@gnu.org" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c05::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209905 Archived-At: >>>>> "FS" =3D=3D Filipe Silva writes: FS> I agree with Daniel here (both Daniels). There is no shortage of linux FS> kernel hackers and=E2=80=8B it is written in C. Plus I think that is a = consensus FS> that C is not dying anytime soon. I'd like to see less C, if only because I've never hacked on the C part of Emacs, and find almost anything Emacs Lisp to be much simpler and more fun = to work on. However, C is far from being the most difficult language out there. People = are quite excited about Rust these days, and it appears much harder to fully gr= ok than C. If smart people want Emacs to do something, they'll code a machine emulator= in Minecraft to output the correct code using musical frequencies and LED ligh= ts. You'd be shocked at what 15 year olds can do these days when they're bored. I'm not worried about the intelligence or future willingness. What WE can d= o, as Emacs developers, is to be as welcoming and supportive as possible, while helping those upcoming geniuses to understand that unless they're willing to stick around and help maintain their new additions, we might be inclined to say "better in Emacs Lisp, please". --=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2