From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.orgmode Subject: Re: Sync up the org in emacs master to org maint branch? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211788 gmane.emacs.orgmode:111780 Archived-At: >>>>> "DE" == David Engster writes: DE> It is a mistake because you are creating more moving targets and bring DE> them together very late in the release process. This reduces the amount of DE> testing that is done for those packages, so bugs will be noticed later and DE> the quality of the relases suffer. It moves even more work into the DE> RC-phase, which is already crowded and where people who can fix those bugs DE> might not be readily available. It removes those packages from Emacs CI, DE> so that breakages due to changes in core are not immediately noticed, and DE> often times they have to be fixed not by those who created the breakage, DE> but by those who notice them. These are issues to be fixed in the way ELPA integrates with our development process. I recognize today's ELPA may have these drawbacks, but I believe they can be fixed. We're moving toward a future where Emacs.git will represent "core Emacs", and only contain what core needs (plus a few historical bits, I'm sure). There should be no argument for keeping a project in core just to gain auxiliary benefits. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2