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From: charles@aurox.ch (Charles A. Roelli)
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master b88e7c8: Make transpose-regions interactive (Bug#30343)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 22:29:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m27epz3nme.fsf@aurox.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83605kgo1w.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:41:47 +0300)

> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:41:47 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>
> > >   . having it in C doesn't make hacking harder because one can always
> > >     override functions in Emacs, 
> > 
> > Good point.  Is this written in the Elisp manual anywhere?
> 
> Yes, it's documented where we describe 'defun':
> 
>      Be careful not to redefine existing functions unintentionally.
>      ‘defun’ redefines even primitive functions such as ‘car’ without
>      any hesitation or notification.  Emacs does not prevent you from
>      doing this, because redefining a function is sometimes done
>      deliberately, and there is no way to distinguish deliberate
>      redefinition from unintentional redefinition.

Thanks, this seems correct.
 
> > I searched for "override functions" and "override primitives" in the
> > index, but did not find a result.
> 
> I would index this as "redefining functions", at least in addition to
> "overriding", if not instead of it.

I think both are good, although an index entry for "overriding
functions" could also point to the "advice" documentation, since
"overriding" is a less precise term than "redefining".
 
> > Instead of defining transpose-regions (and its interactive spec) in
> > Lisp (as the reverted patch did), we could take the current
> > interactive spec of transpose-regions and use that to make a preloaded
> > function named "read-two-regions" in simple.el.  That would allow its
> > reuse by other commands, too.
> 
> Where would such a function be useful?

Nothing specific comes to mind.  There is one pair of commands that
already reads multiple regions: ediff-regions-linewise and -wordwise,
so it's not unlikely that there could be other applications.



  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-25 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20180311105534.3DAFD23CF3@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2018-03-11 16:05   ` [Emacs-diffs] master b88e7c8: Make transpose-regions interactive (Bug#30343) Stefan Monnier
2018-03-11 17:23     ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-03-12  9:56       ` Leo Liu
2018-03-11 18:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-15 20:20       ` Richard Copley
2018-03-16 15:23         ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-20 21:33           ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-20 21:46             ` Richard Copley
2018-03-21  7:22             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-22  5:30               ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-22  7:12                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-22  7:15                 ` Unnecessarily moving stiff between files considered harmful (Was: [Emacs-diffs] master b88e7c8: Make transpose-regions interactive) (Bug#30343) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-23 18:03                   ` Unnecessarily moving stiff between files considered harmful Karl Fogel
2018-03-22 13:39                 ` [Emacs-diffs] master b88e7c8: Make transpose-regions interactive (Bug#30343) Stefan Monnier
2018-03-23 18:05                   ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-25 10:03               ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-03-25 15:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-25 20:29                   ` Charles A. Roelli [this message]
2018-03-26 15:59                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-28 20:19                     ` Juri Linkov
2018-03-29  4:53                       ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-29 11:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-29 12:17                         ` Stefan Monnier

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