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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::430 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:244137 Archived-At: >>>>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2020 19:35:34 +0200, Eli Zaretskii said: >> From: Robert Pluim >> Cc: matthewzmd@gmail.com, smartlitchi@gmail.com, lokedhs@gmail.com, >> monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 18:25:10 +0100 >>=20 >> I don=CA=BCt think it=CA=BCs likely that people will accidentally cr= eate >> ~/.config/emacs Eli> But such accident was exactly what started this discussion. So Eli> evidently the probability of that happening is higher than we assu= me. Not really. *emacs* created that directory, not the user, and that=CA=BCs exactly what we=CA=BCre trying to prevent (well, I am :-) ). >> I feel that 'use x if it exists, else use y' is less prone to >> confusion than 'use x if it exists unless y exists'). Eli> The advantage of the latter is that it's fully backward-compatible. It is, but 'use this new thing only if you create it' is pretty unsurprising as well, we=CA=BCre not going to stop using .emacs.d and force people to use ~/.config/emacs. Robert