From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 23.0.50; MacOS X 10.4: very slow visuals, multi-tty patch suspected Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:58:28 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: References: <200709061414.l86EEwQE013656@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <200709061610.l86GAA2D017210@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <200709061715.l86HFHXx020325@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <200709061843.l86IhFrJ023998@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <200709062016.l86KGW4i027628@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <46F92348.2050203@gnu.org> <46F97307.6040904@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190753971 30117 80.91.229.12 (25 Sep 2007 20:59:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:59:31 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 25 22:59:26 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IaHV6-0006EB-Eb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:59:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaHV3-00056D-Io for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:59:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IaHUz-00055y-MY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:59:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IaHUz-00055l-6w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:59:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaHUz-00055i-1f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:59:17 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IaHUy-00040N-Ea for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:59:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IaHUh-0005bj-Dw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:58:59 +0000 Original-Received: from c-24-14-57-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.14.57.89]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:58:59 +0000 Original-Received: from tzz by c-24-14-57-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:58:59 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-24-14-57-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4uSZucSi0hEv6yHE29QLdUxp27o= X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79857 Archived-At: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:43:51 +0100 Jason Rumney wrote: JR> Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> I am not looking for stability. The current Cocoa port is *unusable* JR> You do mean Carbon, don't you? The Cocoa/GNUstep port is not yet JR> merged. Yes, I posted a correction. I'm definitely not a MacOS developer :) JR> I think if we disable it now, it will never be revived, even if someone JR> later comes forward who can maintain it. It's maybe better to leave our JR> options open at this stage, at least until the Cocoa/GNUstep work is JR> merged. The VMS code was unmaintained for years before we finally JR> disabled and removed it. I understand. Would it be possible to at least tell users "the Carbon port has performance issues" in the docs? It's truly unusable at this point. >> and *unmaintained* (to the best of my knowledge) which is a very >> different thing from unstable and the reason I'm trying to bring up this >> issue again after 2 weeks of silence on the subject. I'd fix it myself >> if I could, but I need at least some help (I posted on that earlier in >> the thread) and none has been offered on the emacs-devel list since my >> attempt 2 weeks ago. >> JR> I don't think anyone feels qualified to make an open offer of general JR> help. But if you post specific issues here, then people may be able to JR> help you on a case-by-case basis. I have been through the pain of JR> getting the Windows port working after the multi-tty merge, and the JR> former Carbon maintainer may still be reading the list if you need OSX JR> specific help. The multi-tty code and design is currently poorly JR> understood, but that is a general problem, not an OSX specific one. There's a single specific issue: interactively, Emacs is unusable in the Carbon port. Matsuharu gave a hint for fixing it (see my earlier post). I tried what he said and it didn't work; no one has been interested in helping me further. I can re-summarize in a separate post if you think it will help. Thank you for discussing this with me. Ted