From: Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A proposal for removing obsolete packages
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:25:42 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m260yz8j3d.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83twmkkv16.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:14:45 +0200")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 22:09:27 -0500
>>
>> Currently, obsolete elisp is moved to the obsolete subdir. Attempts to
>> load them are successful, but come with the warning message "<package>
>> is obsolete!" I propose that we leave them in the obsolete subdir for
>> one major version. At the start of every new major version, we remove
>> everything from that subdir package that has been there since the start
>> of last major version.
>>
>> For example, a package that is declared obsolete during the development
>> of Emacs 25 would be moved to obsolete, and a message would be added to
>> say that "<package> is obsolete and will be removed in Emacs 27". It
>> couldn't be removed in Emacs 26 because it didn't start Emacs 25 in
>> obsolete.
>>
>> In short, obsolete package added in the middle of a release will be
>> guaranteed to exist until the next major release, and then one more
>> major release.
>
> That sounds good to me, thanks.
>
>> There might be even better solutions to this problem. I certainly have
>> not attempted to explore the entire space of solutions. Perhaps the
>> timing is too long as well - I wouldn't mind making things more
>> aggressive and instead removing all obsolete packages at the start of
>> each major version (meaning that an obsolete package would last one
>> major version or less). This probably would work itself out and obsolete
>> packages would tend to not be removed at the end of the major version
>> development cycle.
>
> We've repeatedly seen reports from people who jump 2 major releases,
> so I think removing sooner than after a full major release cycle is
> not something we should start with.
Sounds reasonable to me, thanks for the feedback.
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2016-01-11 3:09 A proposal for removing obsolete packages Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-11 14:41 ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-11 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-12 4:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-19 5:28 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-20 2:54 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-20 7:25 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-20 17:05 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-20 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-20 19:52 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-20 20:38 ` Andrés Ramírez
2016-01-20 20:46 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-20 20:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-20 21:03 ` Andrés Ramírez
2016-01-21 3:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23 21:22 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-21 3:02 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-23 21:15 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-23 22:03 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-24 1:02 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-24 1:08 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-24 1:56 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-24 21:44 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-25 2:37 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-25 1:42 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-25 4:41 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-25 15:37 ` Entering Unicode characters Richard Stallman
2016-01-25 16:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-25 17:20 ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2016-01-25 17:51 ` Teemu Likonen
2016-01-25 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-26 1:24 ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2016-01-26 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-25 18:59 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-25 19:28 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-26 8:38 ` Oleh Krehel
2016-01-25 21:36 ` Tianxiang Xiong
2016-01-25 22:17 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-25 22:26 ` Tianxiang Xiong
2016-01-26 9:39 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-26 10:55 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-26 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-26 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 21:41 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-27 3:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-27 6:01 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-28 23:16 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-29 8:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-29 15:51 ` handa
2016-01-29 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-29 16:24 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-30 3:03 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-30 7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-30 7:36 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-30 7:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-30 12:16 ` handa
2016-01-30 13:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-27 0:47 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-26 11:31 ` Yuri Khan
2016-01-27 0:46 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-26 12:40 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-26 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-27 0:47 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-26 17:08 ` Tianxiang Xiong
2016-01-26 17:37 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-26 18:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 18:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-06 11:56 ` Helmut Eller
2016-02-06 12:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-06 13:59 ` Helmut Eller
2016-02-06 14:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-12 11:20 ` Helmut Eller
2016-02-07 18:33 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-07 18:42 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-08 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-08 14:25 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-02-09 12:14 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-09 17:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10 0:12 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-10 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-11 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-07 22:02 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-08 13:02 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-08 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-09 12:14 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-09 13:26 ` Dale Snell
2016-02-10 0:11 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-09 17:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-09 6:01 ` Alexis
2016-02-09 15:21 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-10 0:11 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-10 1:16 ` Alexis
2016-02-10 14:16 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-11 18:59 ` John Wiegley
[not found] ` <<E1aTINY-0007Rg-IA@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-02-10 2:07 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-10 4:14 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-10 14:15 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-10 0:08 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-10 4:17 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2016-02-08 14:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-12 11:32 ` Helmut Eller
2016-02-13 15:32 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <<E1aO05V-0007eR-Kw@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-01-26 16:58 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-25 13:01 ` A proposal for removing obsolete packages Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 9:36 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-26 10:30 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-01-27 0:46 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-27 1:03 ` Alexis
2016-01-27 22:53 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-27 8:41 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-01-25 15:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <<m2a8nu46ff.fsf@gmail.com>
[not found] ` <<E1aNjCP-0004Ya-Si@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-01-25 16:04 ` Entering Unicode characters Drew Adams
2016-01-25 16:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 16:43 ` A proposal for removing obsolete packages John Wiegley
2016-01-26 17:32 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-03 4:45 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-12 5:25 ` Andrew Hyatt [this message]
2016-01-12 4:07 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-12 5:25 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-12 21:49 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-14 5:19 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-17 22:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-14 23:09 ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-16 4:13 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-16 19:10 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-18 18:47 ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-19 13:51 ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-19 14:54 ` Phillip Lord
[not found] <<m28u3wak2g.fsf@gmail.com>
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