From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-27 7ec66a5: Document spacing issues with Xft for some fonts Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:27:19 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20200114095124.30450.15618@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20200114095126.2A901212AE@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <83d0bm58px.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="8088"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 14 17:28:00 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1irP2u-0001ct-5C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:28:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43106 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1irP2s-0001nN-TU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 11:27:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57743) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1irP2J-0001ES-HE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 11:27:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1irP2I-0003M1-AI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 11:27:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::431]:45186) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1irP2I-0003Ks-4k; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 11:27:22 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id j42so12758237wrj.12; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:27:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version; bh=H2CFzfTWg5N+1ZpuVeAdbqB40iOkIuKlw5irnuysfuU=; b=oAaVjAOmkfi9Rv/h7cB+j/AzYaBXKrcEQ9jOyZYKFwvnhebCgOJzKttjUbw9hUknnB aamhHdig09ixllNfF/uhZXASC8pSUNcRToS50pmK0x3Bwva85/5yX8ef+4/OT26HVkB6 R8Asra1UptalrOpEHiAXo4kzgbtHeQlhEphta4JLUpYuGQZIxfI6Jc1Wu5tmV3/J/p7Z fmN4BrGA68dKITaZbFspZzBOByXogJlwKEK8VNyKFwfZKPkmb1VN9XYAuiO4MiuuFB4p CsuR7hteQuIAali9qOBBh8ywsqnkvYB2JvGLHsr8AHwaKiJYUy/NpH6K7/44ACSUCp31 UB+Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version; bh=H2CFzfTWg5N+1ZpuVeAdbqB40iOkIuKlw5irnuysfuU=; b=ttLKlTUAaWvXVJEOMo0d8cpsXJEaDQK7TpRXckp/PAaeqXa3Xu3GBKUR2TQyoCfc8d 5xgIb01cNb5HguMTMD2wervn7UJDBHiVlVVB9nUNCQvr7Q0OuozAh4w5QlnD3T6zCxTF +rqJvZEWdrojl5lSwnyyjpLxqITUg+UTZHRsBBem8PWOkdtNj5Kz7LR0NPE2cZMh9uTL OCr3/rIGmr1ta4u/h6381t+07J2gJQfk6pPkwZ39rizdBqszUXCWZdEr9W0iwTqNRhQ1 i9an4mvfnqGoPAJ8vI009T1hMguNMjGfePMP0wFLdmf02OPzotYwXADA2fO79SFWQ3dM 6KIA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWT4djpDWO9Zph7jxZp/7d2fYWv529gHrYq94uiJsjM0g5BCs4i Uy24N2LvZUyECqYaf0+kdiKYf8cL X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyoPbUzFfHXDEJ09bvC97rDOFw5mCIta5zKEzjyNwicazkCBaiQRx2XYvQb91+JRGWlERbhIg== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6886:: with SMTP id h6mr25928434wru.154.1579019240535; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:27:20 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from rpluim-mac ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y17sm19357178wma.36.2020.01.14.08.27.19 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:27:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83d0bm58px.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 14 Jan 2020 18:00:26 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::431 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:244252 Archived-At: >>>>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 18:00:26 +0200, Eli Zaretskii said: >> From: Robert Pluim >> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 11:45:28 +0100 >> >> Eli, is it too soon for this? Eli> Hmm... soon? no, I don't think so. I just am not sure this is the Eli> best approach. First, I don't think we have enough data and Eli> experience to commit ourselves to remove Xft in Emacs 29, we should Eli> first see how painful such a removal will be wrt our users. Eli> Therefore, it might be better to turn Cairo ON by default on master, Eli> and only use Xft if Cairo is unavailable. If that proves to be a Eli> reliable configuration (i.e., we aren't flooded by complaints about Eli> the Cairo problems), then perhaps we will be able to remove Xft in Eli> Emacs 29 after all. Turning on cairo by default I did earlier today in 88efc736f562656efab778d35c32d549ef6270d7 . That automatically ends up not using Xft if Cairo is detected. Eli> WDYT? If you agree, then instead of mentioning the removal in Emacs Eli> 29, I'd prefer saying in NEWS that Xft is not actively maintained and Eli> has known problems with some modern fonts, and therefore we recommend Eli> against using it, as long as alternatives are available, Cairo being Eli> the best one of those. OK, I can go with that. Robert