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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250763 Archived-At: >>>>> On Sat, 16 May 2020 00:19:30 -0400, Richard Stallman sa= id: Richard> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please conside= r ]]] Richard> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,= ]]] Richard> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's exam= ple. ]]] >> > "website so and so says this, but my Emacs behaves differently", w= here >> > the solution is to consult the documentation inside emacs. It appe= ars >> > people have become conditioned to doing a web search for manuals, Richard> Perhaps we should make a page and a canned response, "Check th= e Emacs Richard> manuals before you believe what other people's web site say ab= out Richard> Emacs." And publicize that in lots of ways. These are not "other people's web sites", they=CA=BCre the Emacs manuals on gnu.org, just for a different version of Emacs from the one the user is running. Robert