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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262023 Archived-At: On 28/12/2020 10:45 +0200, Juri Linkov wrote: >> Could we move the new `C-s M-y' functionality somewhere else and retain >> the old `C-s M-y' binding? > > This has been discussed many times, and the most promising solution is > to add a single variable that will define whether the user prohibits > changing the definitions of traditional keys. When its value is nil, > then with a new release the user gets new keybindings that are more > logical and consistent with other keybindings and new functionality. > However, when you set it to t, then you get all old keybindings untouched. Why can't we just add another key for the new "yank from kill ring"? The new behaviour is indeed annoying when you don't expect it. Filipp