From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What does use-package do? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297416 Archived-At: >>>>> Naoya Yamashita writes: > Honestly, I don't like use-package because it has surprising behavior that > often seems nosy.=C2=A0 That is why leaf was created, to organize/reduce = the > features that use-package has and to give user a better interface, which = is > why it cannot be integrated. You have mentioned this a few times, Naoya, but again I'll say that use-package 2.0 completely reorganized its internal structure so functions = are fully modular and can be added/changed/removed however you wish. I'm not su= re what you mean by "nosy" or "suprising" behavior, but if you wanted you could revise how _all_ of the declarative keywords behave. Everything is configurable these days, and this is how the core functionality is implemen= ted also. --=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2