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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk
Subject: Re: Emacs 27.1 Windows Binaries -- testing wanted
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:11:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m24kos2qhv.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83a6yk72ec.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:40:27 +0300")

>>>>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:40:27 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    >> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
    >> Cc: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
    >> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 11:28:43 +0200
    >> 
    >> >>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:44:18 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:
    >> >> Obviously more features to go. I haven't worked out how to test the 
    >> >> existence of harfbuzz yet.
    >> 
    Eli> (car (frame-parameter nil 'font-backend))
    >> 
    >> There are vendor-provided versions of Emacs that mess with
    >> font-backend and/or FontBackend, and the user may have changed it
    >> themselves, so thatʼs not going to work.

    Eli> I'm not sure I understand the "mess" part.  Can you show an example of
    Eli> what such "messing" produces in the simple recipe I suggested above?

OpenSuse [1] puts 'FontBackend: xft,x' in the global Xresources file
used by their emacs-27 package, even though the build itself is a
Cairo + HarfBuzz build, so produces 'x' for the snippets above (since
thereʼs no xft backend in such an emacs).

    Eli> Also, I'm guessing those vendors don't touch the Windows builds, do
    Eli> they?

True. For Windows your code is much more likely to work, but is still
subject to the user changing font-backend.

    >> Perhaps we need a `harfbuzz-available-p` defun?

    Eli> We could add that if there's a reason good enough.  The advantage of
    Eli> what I proposed is that it also detects the cases where HarfBuzz is
    Eli> available, but for some reason not used.

Only from 'emacs -Q'

Robert

Footnotes:
[1]  I believe they've now fixed this




  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-24 12:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-18  2:05 Emacs 27.1 Windows Binaries -- testing wanted Jonathan Mitchell
2020-08-18  4:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-18  6:56   ` phillip.lord
2020-08-18  7:11     ` Jonathan Mitchell
2020-08-18 15:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-18 15:57       ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-08-18 16:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-18 16:48           ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-08-18 17:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-18 19:32               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-19  2:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-19 13:10                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-19 15:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-19 15:30                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-19 16:39                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-18 17:20             ` phillip.lord
2020-08-18 18:11               ` Daniel Brooks
2020-08-18 18:58                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-18 19:54                   ` Daniel Brooks
2020-08-18 18:15               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-21 19:16               ` phillip.lord
2020-08-21 19:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-21 21:37                   ` phillip.lord
2020-08-21 22:53                     ` Drew Adams
2020-08-22  6:46                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-22 10:30                       ` phillip.lord
2020-08-24  9:28                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-24 10:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-24 12:11                       ` Robert Pluim [this message]
2020-08-24 15:14                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-24 15:48                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-24 16:49                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-24 17:06                             ` phillip.lord
2020-08-24 17:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-24 18:35                             ` Stephen Leake
2020-08-24 18:54                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-24 17:01                           ` phillip.lord
2020-08-21 20:15                 ` Alan Third
2020-08-21 21:56                   ` phillip.lord
2020-08-22  6:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-22 10:21                       ` phillip.lord
2020-08-22 10:40                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-22 10:53                           ` phillip.lord
2020-08-22 11:15                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-22 12:52                               ` phillip.lord
2020-08-22 13:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-22 13:53                                   ` phillip.lord
2020-08-22 14:35                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-22 15:13                                       ` phillip.lord
2020-08-22 15:19                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-22 17:28                                           ` phillip.lord
2020-08-22 17:32                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-22 20:18                                               ` phillip.lord
2020-08-22 20:32                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-23 21:19                                                   ` phillip.lord
2020-08-23 21:57                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-23  5:36                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-23  7:53                                                   ` phillip.lord
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-08-10 23:00 Emacs 27.1 released Nicolas Petton
2020-08-12 12:01 ` phillip.lord
2020-08-15 17:49   ` Emacs 27.1 Windows Binaries -- testing wanted phillip.lord
2020-08-15 17:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-15 18:38     ` Stephen Leake
2020-08-15 19:57     ` Alan Third
2020-08-17  4:44     ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2020-08-17 23:24     ` Tak Kunihiro

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