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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299556 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > I don't agree. Symbols are at the heart of Lisp. Changing their > > semantics is a big deal, and as soon as that features is in, it will be > > used. > > The shorthands feature is already installed, but it doesn't change the > sematics of symbols. I don't agree. Before shorthands, a symbol had one name, after, it can have many.