From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sascha Wilde Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:11:53 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878x1ov227.fsf@jurta.org> <878x1os6mt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <47B39231.8010108@gmail.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <85ablvftqe.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcg1xo6q.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203691417 5361 80.91.229.12 (22 Feb 2008 14:43:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, Stefan Monnier , storm@cua.dk, acm@muc.de, miles@gnu.org To: Bastien Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 22 15:44:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JSZ7t-0000rX-3p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:43:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSZ7N-0003L8-QO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:43:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSXhI-0004yk-Jk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:12:16 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSXhE-0004xU-1d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:12:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSXhD-0004xO-RO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:12:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail2.sha-bang.de ([78.47.120.114] helo=mail.sha-bang.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSXh6-0008Hl-4w; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:12:04 -0500 Original-Received: from kenny.sha-bang.de (xdslaa220.osnanet.de [82.149.178.220]) by mail.sha-bang.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627AA553; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:22:20 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from wilde by kenny.sha-bang.de with local (Sha Bang MUA v.0711184.68) ID 1JSXgv-00074f-Pi; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:11:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87hcg1xo6q.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (Bastien's message of "Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:47:41 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:40:53 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89964 Archived-At: Bastien wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: >> For people who use the mark(s) for navigational purposes, pushing the >> mark is an operation comparable to saving point to a register. >> So the fact that TMM starts to highlight the text between that mark and >> point is just a hassle. > > What about this: > > C-SPC set the mark and temporarily turn on Transient Mark mode > C-@ only sets the mark > > C-SPC C-SPC would be used to temporarily negate transient-mark-mode. > (For now it does not *negate* it, it turns it on temporarily.) Veto. I think the current behavior is quite convenient and fits the needs of those who don't want a permanent transient-mark-mode best. > The benefits of such a small change would be: > > - for the ordinary use of the mark (C-SPC), it is a bit like setting > transient-mark-mode on by default; And therefor for people like me it wouldn't be a benefit but an obstacle. > - it makes a clear distinction between using the mark for navigating > purposes (C-@) and using the mark for selecting and highlighting a > region (C-SPC); > - people could use C-SPC or C-@ depending on what they locally need, > not on the basis of some unsteady global preference. This is clearly a change to the worse. The old semantics are perfectly good, they differ from what users of nowadays GUI-editors expect, but they are perfectly consistent and highly usable. Please don't change them! (FWIW C-@ is even harder to type than C-SPC) cheers sascha -- Sascha Wilde "Structure is _nothing_ if it is all you got. Skeletons _spook_ people if thwy try to walk around on their own. I really wonder why XML does not." -- Erik Naggum in comp.lang.lisp