From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 12:13:03 -0700 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <560CCEBA.9080607@online.de> <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87si5r22qh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8737xrweel.fsf@googlemail.com> <87r3lazla7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444072863 3570 80.91.229.3 (5 Oct 2015 19:21:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 19:21:03 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 05 21:20:58 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjBJi-0000KH-HQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 21:20:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47311 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjBJh-0004mw-Sf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:20:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57429) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjBJY-0004fv-2D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:20:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjBJU-0005t1-AR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:20:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22f]:35367) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjBJU-0005se-3N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:20:44 -0400 Original-Received: by pacfv12 with SMTP id fv12so188693006pac.2 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 12:20:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=3I4gvYgMB/onrEsTrm1u8OF3WCbgHd7hwDt6jXminko=; b=XIxKuVU/RGWPYJSUgXUOrbTSWvY1zCIcIJutFRZw1mXDIeHVeSQtLufYcRl4uKj0XJ v1CU+YlvqydBclsewFwkICWRXXItfPC3x9jDYNS6ZtVRnmPO9JDJ7waSbqUrqeBUJTzU r0J7ZtYfSv31iUiZerDKiPmLj+ExnjmYIJD8ad3hbzr25XUurCP09P0XK6GznyeHl8im 0cFkHClDVbzp3e5588cNRvs22wcQyXjcU4E//WG/7ywqvRoutwte97cMP+urX16YbpJ9 uvPtyY1nKTInUQJp2i1WZrUUtpOasWvbNKECxw/pm7SPsuJSw1HOiTgenqce1/tzdGS9 /nEA== X-Received: by 10.66.221.193 with SMTP id qg1mr43056917pac.103.1444072843347; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 12:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pq1sm29024462pbb.91.2015.10.05.12.20.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 05 Oct 2015 12:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id EC84AF074A22; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 12:20:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 05 Oct 2015 13:07:25 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190957 Archived-At: >>>>> Richard Stallman writes: > I define freedom as "having control of one's own life". Freedom in one's > computing means having control over how it is done, which requires control > over the software that does it. Even those of us who are fine using proprietary software have been bitten by its lack of freedom. Why, I can't even run OS X on hardware of my own choosing! Let me be clear on the question of freedom: while I have disagreements with you, I also don't consider any existing alternative to be ideal. I see pros and cons in all of them. I choose BSD3 for my own software because it represents the least commitment to any specific path. So while I may disagree with the GPL as "The Way", I'm not opposed to helping it succeed a little bit either. I think all these experiments need more time, before we'll discover what truly helps our society progress in the ways we all want it to. > Your church analogy was a good one, but let's make sure no one > misunderstands it as more than an analogy. The Church of Emacs is pure > humor. The church analogy, qua analogy, was pretty excellent. Point taken! John