From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Speed of keyboard macro execution? 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ck9sm20688385pad.28.2015.12.10.12.43.25 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:43:25 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id B8FC111421672; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:43:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87twnqrqgx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Thu, 10 Dec 2015 21:36:14 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: David Kastrup , "Perry E. Metzger" , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196064 Archived-At: >>>>> David Kastrup writes: > Visual positioning makes no sense without visual feedback. Can you show a > single example of a task to be done by a keyboard macro where visual > positioning would _help_ achieve that task rather than sabotage it? I don't get this argument. What is the real problem here? I've never faced on issue on this point with macros before, and I've been using them for a long time. In cases where visual positioning became a problem, I used `toggle-truncate-lines'. I'd much rather have intervention be manual, than changing the core behavior in ways that are hard to understand. It may well be that there are times when I want visual positioning without feedback, simply because it matches what I'm expecting to happen. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2