From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r68sm9374930pfb.51.2016.03.08.22.41.53 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 08 Mar 2016 22:41:53 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id B7059135F5342; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 22:41:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83r3fkpb3u.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 09 Mar 2016 05:46:13 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , Ingo Lohmar , ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201232 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > Find a better and more reliable way of dealing with the problems described > here, and I'll be the first to agree not to reintroduce ChangeLogs. As far as I understand so far, we have only a few needs. If I've understood incorrectly, please let me know, as this thread has wandered in a few place= s. 1. We need a way to ensure quality commit messages from contributors. 2. We'd like to be able to correct commit messages after the fact. 3. We need a convenient way to both create and access this information. 4. We want to publish the history of these commit messages in the tarball. The ChangeLog file and its format are one implementation of these needs that has worked over the years. Are you saying that if we move to something else, and it fulfills these criteria, you'd be just as happy with it? =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJW38WtAAoJEMFE2PTxn+YwuJ4MALZdTBlHED0ncF/QVEAT3meg KZxtvgUe1Rl6Me312AUoRM08iNWs6UfuPRtB7j+j0U0yWPehyeLutXWJgEfHci60 /YXdOrWgROnMwung1WhGsPck0duN5jacngH/6RXoIjyPI4ZKZd0BZjn8pOhPmIBn SPxw1eIfPKCvsPwPQlagtobG7Etl3W+0KrjmZyMGLqarJNpbJ1uAIeh18RCPwFGG I19u6tpquGzymGeDro0RZu58i/nQX1MpyHirsJ52CieP47We+XG+SZVS9kUnL5Qt zviSn0WpWM/n5/7/CYBvn/48Ku0kNlKJnzwkmRWXtxGWw4bwqQr877EDjKXkXnwx dLMoZs6rtl775KTXDhA7+4EtJ+iHF1FBXHBP5z/RfAUslb9FipkKem9U1FLA2ebc ZFrOY0zZfV5a/BInDdtk4Vc+KTcr3I4MQl3ueAkkcJt6dDDEfHjcjk7ouHRL4IZ5 lERvy70kcRbxuteyE/HXhBKMhiTA5sqo6h1YTZy0xg== =oA8v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--