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[76.234.69.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p26sm79330225pgn.11.2016.11.29.12.30.02 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:30:02 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id CC95545CF4DA; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:30:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83wpfmqcch.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 29 Nov 2016 22:07:26 +0200") Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , eggert@cs.ucla.edu, dancol@dancol.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c05::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209762 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Could we ask Daniel to include his code under an #ifdef, so until it's proven >> we can always disable it, or back out the changes easily if need be? > What would that solve? Don't we still need to review the patches, compile > the code once in a while, debug it as needed, etc.? It keeps the portable dumper fenced off. We'd compile it in by default, but it helps future readers, for a while, by clearly demarcating when special handling is needed for the sake of that dumper. >> I'd like to entertain the experiment, if we can. > Fine, but why do you need me for that? What would be my role in that > experiment? I guess just say OK at this point, and help with the review if you're inclined? Daniel will handle the work of integration and documentation. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2