From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Helmut Eller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proper namespaces in Elisp Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 06:55:17 +0200 Message-ID: References: <237fe643-c14d-5406-b35d-a30dcd42c5ed@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="108566"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:imRuhtfgn0ldYOc5GPvpvwCB5tA= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 05 06:56:03 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVpce-000S2T-2h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 06:56:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35442 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVpcd-0001Ke-5n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 00:55:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36606) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVpc5-0000vU-Iu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 00:55:25 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([159.69.161.202]:36584) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVpc4-00038j-Vz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 00:55:25 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVpc2-000RLz-As for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 06:55:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=159.69.161.202; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/05 00:55:23 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 3 X-Spam_score: 0.3 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248940 Archived-At: On Mon, May 04 2020, Andrea Corallo wrote: > I think Emacs has most of the infrastructure to implement this already > in the codebase Except for macros. Traditional Lisp macros do in fact work on symbols and not on bindings. If macros should work on bindings, then a rather different macro system is needed, like the one of Scheme or Rust. That kinda works, but the simplicity and elegance of traditional macros is lost. Helmut