From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ben Mezger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GitLab feature request compared with SourceHut Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 15:30:30 -0300 Message-ID: References: <87h7fcnmq0.fsf@posteo.net> <83tujbqg4j.fsf@gnu.org> <874kbbosht.fsf@gnus.org> <8335qur9h7.fsf@gnu.org> <87eeaemxa9.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87h7fauizb.fsf@gnu.org> <878s0lk3m4.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf4l8l1d.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10739"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.6.4; emacs 28.0.50 Cc: philipk@posteo.net, danflscr@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, theo@thornhill.no, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, tsdh@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, eliz@gnu.org, spwhitton@spwhitton.name To: Drew DeVault Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 29 20:44:44 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mKPnP-0002ai-Ef for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 20:44:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44320 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mKPnN-0001LP-Gw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 14:44:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53528) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mKPih-0005qJ-Pp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 14:39:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qk1-x72d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d]:38742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mKPie-00015l-Pz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 14:39:51 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qk1-x72d.google.com with SMTP id f22so13255781qkm.5 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:39:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=benmezger.nl; s=google; h=references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version; bh=HqI0P0sNlFc41H+YJk2kx/ePkYNb+1QXQCCgkSxhmcc=; b=Uwa/YF7FulZEoPMCnGjzGUnnE+ynWR3a4s1BBKO8Y20YM8agGpBbo+yh0XdXnAqPSR 9/wyl1x+24+Y1VFpjg+HSvJIp2bTGAt8gc/mlUwgpI53F3y9921p/kXFPTBOotoW6Cus cV9TJMF4rbxHGXpGes5D092lDszqKflAFhCCCLCbvjPPCGLB+C8yGSG05MAbWyCH35FQ tBPcnOHtkAm9yqeDiW7Omnl1dywuOSiwAyfWHLwdDI9HLfHNVqsRvpSY7FBiJRZDkpec xpLKhO5/pqZIAcy4wSrTVAZIQvTXp7IBb5Ee31cd7jxRUnl/jjCpBm1D+45YGKo1b6vX QqEw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject:date :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=HqI0P0sNlFc41H+YJk2kx/ePkYNb+1QXQCCgkSxhmcc=; b=mhQAt21KTt0e5SUbWz654JrTqB1R2n8N5jqKYhHuIzXbb5JRkdhkgaqLgk1I7slhu2 iQqlnsXbbggrLj8TDnuln4OpKbB6F0Y1QS6xrSbXLwPaj/+5lVR/VixVvm6LWSAxaeB/ ydnCehi2pPCeQJcwiNIPG3JMa1VtgwVfQVI3Tb6JJwEiB6RUesFh0lC7EF+y+ukpCgIh y0mdhsS3YfkjS1SpTiqfg8/cDH6T9kdIm/PVjBHaPQ4xxdUabC4snHhhJEakEytukxHi oKbNpLMMHhZtRkCNm2gsr+ZTMxwwZU2tKaqtS43663s9Hl7xX/ke11uRaW09BCQnYeGW 9UEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53075koFGzsuy6sc6oixYSFkfdB4ayB+QFgdR7IDnla4BHRMHjdJ GeTCR5XuzhyctDsuLB2/7QVh2iQjGLNvbxJKz5Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx4FOxamad9QSrU4p+uYbu5Neb/7YaOH0P59tfbFIezH/0DF30k7nErz2N/69t/blimeSAEzg== X-Received: by 2002:a37:8a44:: with SMTP id m65mr18929195qkd.72.1630262387073; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([2804:14d:baa0:8687:d07:af62:6a99:ab0a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f3sm7350309qti.65.2021.08.29.11.39.46 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:39:46 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d; envelope-from=me@benmezger.nl; helo=mail-qk1-x72d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273425 Archived-At: > It would be nice to have the emacs vote of confidence in our services, > in the strategic sense of mutual support between organizations which > believe in free software. Drew summarized what I've meant with "first move". Emacs migration towards a service like sourcehut may contribute to the confidence and motivation of other projects to follow a similar approach. "Drew DeVault" writes: > On Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 5:03 AM CEST, Richard Stallman wrote: >> > Maybe if Emacs makes the first move, perhaps other projects may follow >> > the same path. >> >> Sorry -- what is "first move" that is being proposed? >> >> We want to host Emacs on a GNU server, not someone else's. > > You can run the sourcehut software on GNU servers, it is 100% free > software, mostly AGPL. I would encourage you to do so. > > However, I think that this is a rare case where you could also use our > servers if you so desired. The software on our servers is not patched, > it's the same free software you would run on yours. If you did some > reading on sourcehut, I think you would find our philosophy quite > compatible with GNU's ideals. It would be nice to have the emacs vote of > confidence in our services, in the strategic sense of mutual support > between organizations which believe in free software. > > SourceHut is a straight upgrade from the existing mailing lists, and > supports the existing workflow almost 1:1, perhaps pending some minor > enhancements around attachments. The web tools to accomodate the > pull-request generation are at a prototype stage, but will be improved. > The free software ethic is here to stay. -- Kind regards, Met een vriendelijke groet, Atenciosamente, Ben Mezger https://seds.nl https://github.com/benmezger