From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: CHENG Gao Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:40:51 +0800 Organization: cyberhut.org Message-ID: References: <20080101171120.GC3830@muc.de> <20080101.190535.32709273.wl@gnu.org> <20080101182742.GE3830@muc.de> <20080101.192802.05328072.wl@gnu.org> <20080103010807.GB13318@kobe.laptop> <85wsqqnfce.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85bq80mgut.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85fxxbjjk2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199720583 27063 80.91.229.12 (7 Jan 2008 15:43:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:43:03 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 07 16:43:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBu8J-00069x-FT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:43:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBu7w-0004lr-F3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:43:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBu7A-0004Jh-Ck for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:42:12 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBu77-0004IU-6h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:42:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBu76-0004IL-Tp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:42:09 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBu76-0005UR-CQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:42:08 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JBu71-00075j-4T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:42:03 +0000 Original-Received: from 222.94.199.151 ([222.94.199.151]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:42:03 +0000 Original-Received: from chenggao by 222.94.199.151 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:42:03 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 38 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.94.199.151 User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/23.0.60 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:YYzjXi+yY08Gi7B6Xf04YVTDZiU= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86487 Archived-At: *On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:52:53 -0500 * Also sprach Sam Steingold : > Note however that with CVS, getting CVS head and building it is hardly > more expensive than downloading a source tarball - wrt both bandwidth > and disk space. With git, the situation is vastly different: you cannot > just get the head, you always get the whole change history, so instead > of 40MB, you will be getting and storing 200MB. This may not be a big > deal these days for many people, but it might be a showstopper for some. Yes you are right. Ever I tried to git clone emacs git repo at home, and it took forever so I had to abort the mission. I got a 2m ADSL at home. Instead I git cloned it in office, and it took only several minutes with 10M line. My experience and worry is git clone may be slow for slow connections. Personally I hope Emacs can be developped with DVCS like git or Mercurial or bzr since I trust it's easier for Emacs developers to add new features and for users to test these features. And then developers can submit mature features/codes to some dedicated mailing list via email (git or hg or bzr all have this feature to easily generate and send patchs) for review by core developer(s) or a dedicated team. If codes are accepted, they can be merged into OFFICIAL CENTRALIZED Emacs repo, and at the same time propogated to Emacs CVS. (If I understand correctly, it's what Bug Buddy of BZR does). I hope Emacs can use this decentralized/centralized combination. It makes development easier and codes can get more extensive testing since users can test features by cloning some unofficial work-in-progress features. And at the same time, it can maintain stability and integrity of official repo. I think the proper time is after merge of unicode-2 branch since then only two or three branches need be kept - master, emacs_22_base (& lexbind?). -- Volo, non valeo