From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: CHENG Gao Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Mac port Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:18:09 +0800 Organization: Royau.Me Message-ID: References: <27810E5E-27B3-4AA5-9A6B-F3137D6F8506@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451387924 28104 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2015 11:18:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:18:44 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 29 12:18:34 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDsIU-0002fx-AR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:18:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48042 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDsIR-0006sP-M6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 06:18:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45675) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDsIN-0006s7-Ab for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 06:18:28 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDsIK-0001OS-4M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 06:18:27 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:42032) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDsIJ-0001Np-Si for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 06:18:24 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDsIH-0002Vt-2i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:18:21 +0100 Original-Received: from 112.80.134.5 ([112.80.134.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:18:21 +0100 Original-Received: from chenggao by 112.80.134.5 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:18:21 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 61 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 112.80.134.5 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ejc1ef9+QrgSB/92YtmEJh6pWnY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197077 Archived-At: *On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 18:40:29 +0900 * Also sprach Jean-Christophe Helary : >> On Dec 29, 2015, at 15:47, Richard Stallman wrote: >> >>> many friends of mine who were long-time GNU/Linux users work on OS >>> X today, me included >> Thus our stance is that a person who moves from GNU/Linux to MacOS >> is being self-destructively foolish. We take this seriously and we >> must speak and act in accord with it. This way, we can influence >> some people. > > My personal opinion is that people do not switch to MacOS but rather > to Apple machines which are typically better built than standard Intel > based machines. It is the robustness of the hardware that appeals to > most users, not the OS. > > To have more people switch to a GNU/Linux system, you would have to > find a maker that builds high quality machines for a price similar to > what Apple offers (which is in all likeliness not possible) and offers > similar flawless integration between the OS and the machine (which is > possible). > > Jean-Christophe Helary > Statements: I use MacOS (id. Mac computer), for long time. I wish hard work of Yamamoto san and even Aquamacs' be merged into Emacs, for long time. Since I think otherwise much man hours are not fully used and don't beneficit as many users as possible. Personal experience: I switched to Mac not because of it's vogue and chic etc. Only reason is I was fed up with Wind-oz, which is not as romaintic as it sounds. I started to use GNU/Linux, but you know at that time RedHat was not playing well with my crappy computer. At last I switched to Mac since after all it's UNIX. Then I just get used to it though I also run GNU/Linux hardwares (in fact several of them). With all above said, here comes MHO. I don't think MacOS and GNU/Linux are comparable. They are apple versus gnu, no matter literally ot not. Mac(OS) is a self-contained ecosystem. It has its own business model, and it doesn't carry that much historical burden on its shoulders. On the contrary as few as it decides to. They can tailor their application to few hardwares they choose. When decided to abandon Carbon, voila Carbon abandoned. When decided your Mac is not qualified for next big story, boys and girls, time to smash your piggy bank. Can GNU/Linux shrugs these burden off? Or even can Wind-oz? I bet if Emacs is only targeted to run on, say, 1Ghz+ 4-core+ CPU with 4G+ memory hardware, it will be entirely different beast. Found bugs in Emacs 23? 22? Man, I am sorry, but we only do Emacs 25. So suit yourself or shoot yourself. I just think it's philosophical difference or gap. Just my RMB2 cents.