From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fn3sm25290858pab.20.2016.03.07.08.33.41 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 07 Mar 2016 08:33:41 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 85E8313535E36; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 08:33:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <837fheuu6a.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 07 Mar 2016 18:30:53 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , Mathieu Lirzin , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201056 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > So removing ChangeLog files will be a bad blow to our ability to easily and > conveniently research the past, something that is extremely important in a > project with such a rich history, where it's all too easy to reintroduce a > bug if you don't look hard enough at the history of some code fragment. Since you are a primary contributor, Eli, your opinion on this does count very much. If you genuinely think that ChangeLogs makes your life easier, then maybe we should just table this discussion for another few years. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2