From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Filipp Gunbin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:21:11 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87y49q64eg.fsf@russet.org.uk> <837fhamxwq.fsf@gnu.org> <87io0u4bip.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457695298 14791 80.91.229.3 (11 Mar 2016 11:21:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 11 12:21:27 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aeL8J-0001SC-80 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:21:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54223 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeL8I-0007Bq-BB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:21:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46225) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeL8E-0007Bf-Ng for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:21:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeL89-00011Y-Kh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:21:22 -0500 Original-Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]:51394) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeL89-00011A-Ga for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:21:17 -0500 Original-Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56C620BA1 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:21:15 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:21:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=kTlLv JMdJJ1aKnga2142Q1ZUENs=; b=MuJOlLkjEvMnignaGIB+wf9akruIg4vvTcVTW /UgzLCMcZjCqB6dxzOSRISIeF0jGHfcAD3uwUpnja2pszL2IJRmCWXj75OlOBg/2 IJ/F9R1UlATrXyfIRviZABNuS+ORXGZEmn6Eyl1KLqzNLUncl2lN67EFEmSFJ8DS kr+qd4= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=kTlLvJMdJJ1aKnga2142Q1ZUENs=; b=fmtrQ Iqz5jUumRNecPbgsJZoz1k5wFAD88PYjdu/nSduM2jATn2IecAYCHpf+VGCTULa+ 9suOojhW5iZsncsS1IOvo1cR5rfnU51ccfPvEpMiTsPVVg37abUgxB7JevyQE8xq LJWGph7vNPC7bUkdrbUuOUJY365ouriPELSv4I= X-Sasl-enc: j3+vmdfoerV2PJbjpymh3iLMDkWqzGal9Ei1DNfALu8R 1457695275 Original-Received: from fgunbin.local (unknown [94.25.218.10]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2D5DB680159; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:21:15 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87io0u4bip.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:07:26 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.28 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201455 Archived-At: On 10/03/2016 15:07 +0000, Phillip Lord wrote: > L235: If you are using a graphical display, such as X or MS-Windows, > there should be a tall rectangular area called a scroll bar on one > side of the Emacs window. > > If you are using a graphical display? I mean, of course, you are using a > graphical display? What's wrong with this? A user may be in text console. > The tutorial is not wrong, nor is it missing anything. It's just > didactically from a different time, and I am sure it's putting many > people off. It's a tutorial for simple editing. Preserving history sometimes can be valuable. Probably most people wanting to use Emacs already know that it comes from long ago. Filipp