From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 12:50:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20191117113054.49837.qmail@mail.muc.de> <87pnhq7mxg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bltaz9g4.fsf@telefonica.net> <834kz25qp9.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2wexsv1.fsf@telefonica.net> <20191118175639.08d02820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <874kz0pa9y.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="16989"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (darwin) Cc: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , "Perry E. Metzger" To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 19 20:51:06 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iX9Wj-0004FD-Pq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 20:51:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51004 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iX9Wi-0007mB-Da for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:51:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47007) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iX9WZ-0007m3-SW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:50:57 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54525) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iX9WZ-0003K1-1f; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:50:55 -0500 Original-Received: from auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.228]:52043) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iX9WQ-0000gH-66; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:50:47 -0500 Original-Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0C62239C; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:50:45 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:50:45 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudegkedgudefudcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpefhvffujgffkfhffgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhohhhn ucghihgvghhlvgihuceojhhohhhnfiesghhnuhdrohhrgheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehnvg ifrghrthhishgrnhhsrdgtohhmnecukfhppeeliedrudelrdduleekrdeftdenucfrrghr rghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhohhhnfidomhgvshhmthhprghuthhhphgvrhhsohhnrg hlihhthidqieekjeektdelgeegqddujeejheefkeduiedqjhhohhhnfieppehgnhhurdho rhhgsehnvgifrghrthhishgrnhhsrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Original-Received: from localhost (96-19-96-19-198-30.cpe.sparklight.net [96.19.198.30]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7746C3060061; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:50:44 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <874kz0pa9y.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:58:49 +0100") Mail-Followup-To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , "Perry E. Metzger" , =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242447 Archived-At: >>>>> Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > So I think having a modern interface for users to communicate with > developers is vital, because that is how we'll get more developers in the > long run. The trick is finding one that also supports the way more er > seasoned developers like to work, which is (basically) the way we work now. > It sounds like Gitlab has most of what we need, but not everything, and > there seems to be a depressing dearth of development towards that goal. > Perhaps if we committed it might make some Gitlab peeps also commit to > making this work: That is, we say "If Gitlab grows feature X, Y and Z, then > Emacs development is definitely moving to Gitlab", that might spur some > enthusiasm. I agree with you completely, Lars. As long as Richard is comfortable with us considering GitLab, I would encourage whoever has the gumption to make this happen to begin pursuing a scheme that is both welcoming to new users, and friendly to the workflow of those who will actually have to use the system for many hours each day. If you can win over Eli, and some enthusiastic random user X from Reddit, you've likely found a winner. GitLab seems to have good mindshare, some flexibility, and satisfies the freedom requirements of anything we might consider. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2