From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master d8da850: Document cairo-related fallout to font-backend settings Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 16:39:53 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20200120162048.23970.80216@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20200120162050.08A5421148@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <83k15kx1tk.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="51262"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 21 16:42:37 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1itvfp-000DAq-KP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 16:42:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56976 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1itvfo-0005Zw-Cf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:42:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57032) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1itvdG-0002sT-L1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:39:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1itvdE-0003vI-Ni for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:39:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x336.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::336]:54133) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1itvdE-0003un-Hi; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:39:56 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x336.google.com with SMTP id m24so3424135wmc.3; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 07:39:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BuiVtGlg16vWz4c9QolRucpKC8x1bxrue4S+3wbsl8A=; b=eHtC22z19m/IGot+Zxl/paZw7MAC5URXws7114/kJpIg8NqxJvpKMOVTMvyWRTTkap 9hIY4Y1cxg9H5sshvw9rpfF1nw6Uhok7682Ve4G/W5SUQfK/R2Zj60CiBmWZPxEIhHik qmuq/d/F/dTIx39suDU1MafvsEmWFlatZtsxUfKf2wAOzlKfg8VsmflGAT/bJas7l+bM CMUsJ/oGH1VEyCATC509kVpS67jLvxAWOf7XBNhZtThwzGMMQuisT66C7UQ19tkFWxwB KE8xLZvcVwfUFEoyBvZQ4nnlP2hrtfceqYLW7Occan9pmL7/RpeaZrBqlagLiIy6QqYO DWiA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BuiVtGlg16vWz4c9QolRucpKC8x1bxrue4S+3wbsl8A=; b=lYyfbkDflU5cLahXzawbJxqRC6xeoP5l45HBgAX3c5+RCEOQDGthbwMFq4J6vvx6cb xMWZBXDM05QRVJDTx23YjHvRL28BCqC1LXri69fIJVL8DtNsjK+EL/DGaJrHEc4ftobG W7Sqvp51VMaOtQ+oHCEX38FYnb3ol5qSLbYA1uBXOAXYilcuwxfWBmXVD0amwx0zkzo9 D9PZBKmTeBjh7PQ+ZaOdYkR3J1Il9trH1K6eTxFxg70V+lY+gW+y3vnh5gJUq7qxVNH8 FN3qErfXDjSVQ7K3pA7vJ5Pt0UutHIyeLNw2lbutM5LPe3V5HBJ/arsxR3XjYWfzAY83 cZEA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUpFJsGYhEX2GJt3RukGustt5b92Qv/6xPoN0E2am1dxvqcYPzd FGXivoK9LgYIYXA9bXNBE3rpGLyl X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxWfWB9bDWJOCi1ftB528bOmNIMVg3HJE11OU0w2nVvEM1XV+p7WE2k/ImC+j09GmvmQij8VA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2c06:: with SMTP id q6mr5124855wmg.154.1579621195187; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 07:39:55 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from rpluim-mac ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x14sm4212654wmj.42.2020.01.21.07.39.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 21 Jan 2020 07:39:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83k15kx1tk.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 21 Jan 2020 17:32:23 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::336 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:244463 Archived-At: >>>>> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 17:32:23 +0200, Eli Zaretskii said: >> From: Robert Pluim >> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 08:44:39 +0100 >> Cc: Emacs developers >>=20 >> I see two options: >>=20 >> 1. give the Qftcrhb symbol the same name as Qftcr, which might do the >> right thing, but would make it harder to work out whether HarfBuzz is >> actually being used. >>=20 >> 2. just say "If you=CA=BCre going to be modern, be modern: Cairo req= uires >> HarfBuzz" (note that this is the path that Pango is taking). Eli> I think 2 is the best alternative right now. I don't think we sho= uld Eli> make more radical decisions based on such incomplete experience, b= oth Eli> with the Cairo build and with HarfBuzz. So a configure.ac patch that says 'if cairo && ! harfbuzz error_out' is pre-approved? Or did you have something else in mind? Robert