From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Include leaf in Emacs distribution Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:41:46 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87a6wrm5m0.fsf@gmail.com> <87blh6cfmz.fsf@gmail.com> <20201023.113723.2024617143609727683.conao3@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22454"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1.50 (darwin) Cc: caiohcs0@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Naoya Yamashita Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 23 05:42:44 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kVnyW-0005kh-D9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 05:42:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33134 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVnyV-0007yL-FH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 23:42:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48434) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVnxh-00070I-60 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 23:41:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57307) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVnxg-0006i8-D7; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 23:41:52 -0400 Original-Received: from auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.228]:39573) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kVnxf-0002vp-CX; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 23:41:51 -0400 Original-Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3F227C0054; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 23:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 22 Oct 2020 23:41:50 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedujedrjeelgdejiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufgjfffkfhgfgggtsehttdertd dtredtnecuhfhrohhmpeflohhhnhcuhghivghglhgvhicuoehjohhhnhifsehgnhhurdho rhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpefgtdfflefhgfeuheelhfefueevgeffveeggefhve fftdfgjeehgfegjeejudeihfenucffohhmrghinhepnhgvfigrrhhtihhsrghnshdrtgho mhenucfkphepjeefrddvvddtrddutdefrddvgeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtne curfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjohhhnhifodhmvghsmhhtphgruhhthhhpvghr shhonhgrlhhithihqdeikeejkedtleeggedqudejjeehfeekudeiqdhjohhhnhifpeepgh hnuhdrohhrghesnhgvfigrrhhtihhsrghnshdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Original-Received: from localhost (c-73-220-103-24.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [73.220.103.24]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6CEE43064680; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 23:41:50 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20201023.113723.2024617143609727683.conao3@gmail.com> (Naoya Yamashita's message of "Fri, 23 Oct 2020 11:37:23 +0900 (JST)") Mail-Followup-To: Naoya Yamashita , caiohcs0@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258323 Archived-At: >>>>> Naoya Yamashita writes: > The usefulness of leaf and use-package is demonstrated by the > MELPA DL numbers. As leaf or use-package include into Emacs, > their bootstrapping code can be omitted and the user's init.el > will be more consistent. I believe so as well. I had meant to prepare the patch for including use-package.el into Emacs last week, but will make time this weekend now that I'm at my sister's cabin and have some time to myself for a few days. As Stefan fears, it could lessen the need for package authors to make their products as configurable as they might be, but I believe on the whole it allows for more consistency and clarity in users' configuration files, and sometimes such a feeling alone is worth quite a lot indeed. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2