From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Filipp Gunbin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307533 Archived-At: On 05/07/2023 08:49 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> + -- utf-8* (all variants) >> (everything else unchanged) >> >> or: >> >> U -- utf-8* (all variants) >> u -- utf-16* (all variants) >> u -- utf-7 >> K -- koi8-u > > They both sound good to me. > > BTW, things like 8bit coding systems like koi8 are (and should be) > becoming sufficiently rare nowadays in my experience that we could > consider using non-single-letter thingies for them (I'd even welcome > extra highlighting with some kind of warning color). My experience differs: for example, cp1251 is often used for auto-generated csv files (like transaction list from an online bank) in Russian environments.