From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: more on starttls, gnutls-cli and using tls for mail Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:33:53 +0800 Message-ID: References: <20039.8838.116211.694328@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <8762m0n5qi.fsf@red-bean.com> <87ipq0k0q0.fsf@red-bean.com> <87fwl4nqu8.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1313487264 7056 80.91.229.12 (16 Aug 2011 09:34:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 09:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Vijay Lakshminarayanan , Karl Fogel , Tim Cross , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dimitri Fontaine Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 16 11:34:19 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtG2N-00054F-BD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:34:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35377 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtG2M-0003wl-JN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:34:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43862) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtG2J-0003wV-Sg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:34:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtG2F-0005gM-EB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:34:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com ([209.85.210.44]:43599) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtG2F-0005fy-6B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:34:11 -0400 Original-Received: by pzk36 with SMTP id 36so10414251pzk.17 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:34:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=416MjhR2+qEJL43j85sU9oRXPD9iVVDnmLImpeuhcrc=; b=HbM61tAQqMN2SxqJlJJ6N46f9NU5WTFJzUh22PhGO3pI6sCTLc6EwXTFK1QUanQL6Y mY6SWWlAHoi7G6UQkb3hGbfWrkV3a+4khLXq/346XBn0P0mX66FNiuHim3GJ3fcCx2jC vc+4AT1lQ7CgJL0Hg4yqoDBHOds5P2ZJ1MkBw= Original-Received: by 10.142.44.6 with SMTP id r6mr2521810wfr.106.1313487249801; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from bogon ([58.22.113.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4sm971287pbe.16.2011.08.16.02.34.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:34:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Dimitri Fontaine's message of "Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:25:07 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3.50 (Mac OS X 10.6.8) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.44 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143295 Archived-At: On 2011-08-16 00:25 +0800, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: > I just now realize I'm doing the same thing here, but instead of > changing things at the gnus level, I have gnus always connect to the > smtp server at localhost, which will then find the right next relay. > > http://tapoueh.org/blog/2010/09/23-postfix-sender_dependent_relayhost_maps.html Thanks for that. There are other alternatives such as using msmtp. But they are a nuisance because they require installing and configuring another tool for something that Emacs is capable of doing. The point is there is one key feature that has been accidentally deleted during the rewrite of smtpmail. This thread is about whether and how should we bring it back. Leo