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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257222 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: > Try > > C-h f kill-line > put point somewhere on 'kill-line' in the docstring > C-h S > > Now making that more widely known would help, I think. We could add a "View in Manual" button in Help buffers if info-lookup says that the symbol is in the Emacs Lisp Info index. It could be a symbol lookup added to the one we already have to say "Probably introduced at of before Emacs version XX.X".