From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Liu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:33:25 +0800 Message-ID: References: <87hajxqlly.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364448818 20636 80.91.229.3 (28 Mar 2013 05:33:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 05:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, John Yates To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 28 06:34:04 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UL5TO-0007ah-Dr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:34:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60669 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UL5T0-0005Wg-CW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:33:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52081) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UL5Sx-0005WR-9z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:33:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UL5Sw-0003rQ-Az for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:33:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pb0-f50.google.com ([209.85.160.50]:34389) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UL5Sw-0003rJ-4U; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:33:34 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id jt11so1346088pbb.23 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:33:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:references:face:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=I+Ha+ySlTCn2Gd+2fkal9gMN5cnzkR2MaNvxhy18QJM=; b=lSmC3cemlNwZGtsoGWVtnMZ0pk2sAcqr6JviaWJHZbLSS85W0uZ5WfCL6yQP/OgtBk NVP9Ew7zbgVSlfnqG3UAPyO5yL5N7jxDozov0sOinEXjpERg1k434PS9YILDaWc8a8VK KPLcheLPsbrJ1DFnsqz7gTCgWWOQmph/x0/EMYIhlSMXQSG3gccCt08S0b8CmHa0JUXf phpqoe1h5L+WUCZ0+Lzddx5S3vUjlhe/2kZVwmJqeD3QGhbDT3u3YRE/RBpklZFWX/Vm x+6EyOCNu90cwP1v7YWlpmGeKE4tjmMTKXAe4+ZddTLOCXxaKs9jRUxBicH4HX1afqXz kZqw== X-Received: by 10.68.217.202 with SMTP id pa10mr33576440pbc.11.1364448813010; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Zeuss-MacBook.local ([111.161.47.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i10sm24175943pbd.1.2013.03.27.22.33.30 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAGFBMVEUzRVhbQj4eZqO6SjnT eWpxnMetm5b6/PmidmqrAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEwAACxMBAJqcGAAAAAd0SU1F B9cBBwMLBfKABCMAAAFoSURBVCjPtZI9a8MwEIaFoc7aYDdelQMna0Em3tsSr0XUeE2Q6a22a+v+ fk8fSSBkbDUI6dHpfe9OEvRgiD+ApqKPJgJeB6iUUXWESjUe/ig38AJrhqqvaU2nTIXbNvOQ40fe qdry4kyGoVWsfCQalXpHnJGM01wjWdYbMlXNFdsZDO69m9aqNqxEJqTEgbM5OF7wlEfIoll1Ked4 LbM5X2EdILLokEdmI8z7g5cKED0cuTC930TYhy7ZDekkXVGw/L60TguJePPxcJF48lpsSUWEA/Ju jGFNgJOXc4Hz7TmAdBeu5Ve4AEjOi2/2jfd3cAJZ+IbNrvdjgBZY01b+HTuG3cLws6BJZqVOj/pp T0OqVwx3rFq+QmJwx3loK5JSLEhDIt62+mtC2C+SrAUxEbV6C6v2BRbd6pILBKFpepKZJHgGgrKF sptSUUoczpwg2pQ7ZH1tgs0ou/917mzz6Cs2//C978cv5l07L02orIEAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:20:48 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (OS X 10.8.3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.160.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158337 Archived-At: On 2013-03-28 12:20 +0800, Richard Stallman wrote: > I don't have time to read the Bzr mailing list. Or any development > mailing list. The only such list I am on is this one, and the only > reason I can be on this ls is that I don't follow most of the questions > that come up. You might as well tell me to fly to the moon as tell > me to read something on the Bzr list. Exactly. Your time will be better spent on issues other than BZR. Most GNU projects aren't using BZR as you might be aware. While helping BZR fixing bugs might be a gain for BZR, it is a loss as a whole for GNU. Volunteers spend their spare time on GNU projects and if 20% of that time is taken up by wrestling with BZR, it becomes costly to the point discouraging people from joining. For the greater good of GNU, move off BZR seems like the only sound choice. Leo