From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nikita Danilov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GTK file selector Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:52:04 +0300 Message-ID: References: <1134552456.439fe58850f31@imp5-g19.free.fr> <878xuma53q.fsf@jurta.org> <17313.37186.344268.487103@parhasard.net> <87d5jxsgib.fsf@jurta.org> <17314.42778.220813.47226@parhasard.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134840200 1772 80.91.229.2 (17 Dec 2005 17:23:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 17 18:23:18 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enfkk-0004mP-HA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:21:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnflV-0001hN-6X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:22:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enfba-0007Mj-0m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:12:22 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnfbV-0007Ll-3t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:12:20 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnfbU-0007Lc-2O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:12:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1Enfe6-0001Js-N4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:14:59 -0500 Original-Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnfaE-0000la-3x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:10:58 +0100 Original-Received: from 80.71.243.242 ([80.71.243.242]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:10:58 +0100 Original-Received: from nikita by 80.71.243.242 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:10:58 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.71.243.242 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7vbvbPcCX6H92VBDYWb7uyF8+FI= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47957 Archived-At: Aidan Kehoe writes: [...] > > Do you not understand what the GTK2 people did? They didn’t remove features, > it’s just as possible to use the new dialog box in the same way as the old. > Less obvious for what experts want to do, but experts are experts, they’ll > figure it out. And while following this route they violated one of the most basic premises of "UI for naive users" design: At no point, user should be left stuck, without hint about features available. The point is not that file selector was "dumbed down". The point is that it was made completely unintuitive (to the degree of being unusable) for the "naive user" (which means "MS Windows user" nowadays). Nikita.