From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Liu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather than special forms. (Bug#13853) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:37:10 +0800 Message-ID: References: <87obd8rnk1.fsf@yandex.ru> <9yli8bzriy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <517546D4.7030801@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366645042 31091 80.91.229.3 (22 Apr 2013 15:37:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xfq , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 22 17:37:26 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UUIo2-0007XY-El for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:37:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40442 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUIo2-0002XO-25 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:37:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36061) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUIny-0002Vr-TQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:37:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUInw-0005BF-Hg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:37:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com ([209.85.192.178]:45797) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUInw-0005AK-8C; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:37:20 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pd0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w11so3603309pde.23 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 08:37:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:references:face:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=K1OPZNKlnBF5DsZexykVKOIYxL2VOendHVWza38HZ0Y=; b=lC8x7o6Z9N9KsTvrrqAqnkg3YJujya5a60sasBlglmA7sf4MOwbkY2XYxSPTPj9TuU 7elRWvDkicC9a3WdxNbVGopUC2605VsAf+cnbQEKUaW99y6AS6kvNn+eaMnJcGIjkWDS 34DBqLwl5a0fp7T56gbXRVLQplM5hHfFNvv1NXe06KBp8cZ4q3nLubSjPxda9EgokaGo 7vftcsvTvyqpuPgBkhSPPkdRel31+HM4DW94aTvOs1V1uyP8V0a21Qs23VWv1nNqJ43I x6vF2dLUeqzHCZtmuDwsRr7KJhdBzd2lmfcIr5LFiwewx1ont1roYVZkh2jOp3o851by itDA== X-Received: by 10.69.3.4 with SMTP id bs4mr32979671pbd.5.1366645039452; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 08:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Zeuss-MacBook.local ([110.172.225.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qi1sm13799728pac.21.2013.04.22.08.37.15 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Apr 2013 08:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAG1BMVEUAAAA9Cgm3Hx1WWFWA gn+WmJWsrqv4+vcCAwCRl2MkAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAAAFiS0dEAIgFHUgAAAAJcEhZcwAAAYoA AAGKATOXMFgAAAAHdElNRQfXAQwDNR+ZJmElAAABIklEQVQoz22SPW+DQAyGWUq65qasd9PNUSX4 AZHK2C1rJy5jpDS4IwRVup9dn7GNafpKIPPgzztXFSujqq1eM2n8h22oMkvxI/i9C97kRfMRUN55 dS3BrsAwBXUtMLAO4lryh8kTjOxKpQNniNxAgZOEe4bZwsDTFhKdqZRLNII4OQNHhEuq/RMkm6Cj TnnEA/fk0BorcYn5qA3oaeAxbaBOLrX+9G48NZ2Fzc2tzDM8Q+tMypEOqYHh8mAWaaK3U/cDMOT5 aMZMABgPXc7zPMs1A8DXO756GFJ/4fMEq47hTsAdn5avoxZ4ywl0c2w4Flu2Ybeyb3S+EqxX2DYA H8veJGEDTnHnrXvRaPyt+2kSfK6rfBZ2tUtfP/mR+pR6sX8BUZ/cDV7tvkoAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: <517546D4.7030801@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Mon, 22 Apr 2013 18:19:00 +0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (OS X 10.8.3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.192.178 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:159115 Archived-At: On 2013-04-22 22:19 +0800, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > Which sentence? Every hunk in that changeset contains the words > "special form". > > Most of the discussion here had to do with whether any Elisp macro can > be called a special form. Apparently not: > > ELISP> (special-form-p 'let) > t > ELISP> (special-form-p 'defun) > nil Don't know what has changed in trunk though since I can only use the latest stable release. Anyway it seems concepts have been conflated. Leo