From: Eshel Yaron <eshelshay.yaron@gmail.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jan@swi-prolog.org
Subject: Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: sweep
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:04:49 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1r0zudb4e.fsf@esmac.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1odjoQ-00034K-5s@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 28 Sep 2022 23:02:10 -0400")
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> > I am not opposed to building on top of `prolog-mode`, but since
> > `sweep-mode` has access to the actual SWI-Prolog runtime including
> > notably its parser, we can (and do) provide better implementations for
> > many of the features of `prolog-mode`, at the cost of targeting only
> > SWI-Prolog where `prolog-mode` is more implementation agnostic.
>
> That makes sense. But I think there is something I don't undersand.
> Some of what you said hints that SWEEP has other parts that don't run
> in Emacs. Is that true? If so, what do they do?
No, sweep runs strictly inside Emacs, in the same OS process. It loads
the SWI-Prolog system into Emacs, so with sweep Emacs is able to
directly execute Prolog code (through an Elisp interface, see
https://eshelyaron.com/sweep.html#querying-prolog).
> What in the world is "the dynamic module"? What language is it
> written in? What does it do? What relation does it have with SWEEP?
> What relation does it have with Emacs?
It is the same dynamic Emacs module I mentioned in my original message:
"The aim of this package is to provide a fully integrated development
environment for SWI-Prolog in GNU Emacs. It does so by creating a
dynamic Emacs module that contains the SWI-Prolog runtime..."
It's a shared object written in C, also see (info "(Elisp) Dynamic Modules").
> > Yes, as I would currently prefer not to require SWI-Prolog contributors
> > to assign copyrights in order to contribute to this project.
>
> When people want to contribute to Emacs, we don't know or ask whether
> they are SWI-Prolog contributors or not. Indeed, it isn't pertinent.
> We follow our practices.
Yes, but sweep is a development environment for SWI-Prolog, and people
may use it and want to improve it even if they haven't otherwise used
Emacs at all.
> If you want to contribute to SWI-Prolog, you should follow the
> SWI-Prolog practices. If you want to contribute to Emacs, you should
> follow the Emacs practices. That way, everything is clear, and each
> project is autonomous.
I think I agree, but I'm not sure what you're referring to here.
Regards,
Eshel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-09-29 5:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-26 11:29 [NonGNU ELPA] New package: sweep Eshel Yaron
2022-09-26 19:32 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-27 16:32 ` Eshel Yaron
2022-09-27 17:46 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-28 6:46 ` Eshel Yaron
2022-09-28 7:27 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-28 17:49 ` Juri Linkov
2022-09-28 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-28 18:56 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-30 2:38 ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-30 8:20 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-30 9:45 ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-29 2:59 ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-29 16:53 ` [NonGNU ELPA] New package: sweeprolog Eshel Yaron
2022-09-29 16:59 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-01 2:01 ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-27 18:49 ` [NonGNU ELPA] New package: sweep Stefan Monnier
2022-09-28 7:15 ` Eshel Yaron
2022-09-29 3:02 ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-29 5:04 ` Eshel Yaron [this message]
2022-09-29 6:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-09-26 10:22 Eshel Yaron
2022-09-26 17:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-27 15:19 ` Eshel Yaron
2022-09-30 2:36 ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-27 16:17 ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-27 18:47 ` Juri Linkov
2022-09-28 5:40 ` Andrea G. Monaco
2022-09-30 2:36 ` Richard Stallman
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