From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Liu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 b6d6304: Comment on last change to define-derived-mode Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2016 10:09:49 +0800 Message-ID: References: <20160301035146.26012.60163@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <0ff1a53d-bbdf-7393-5462-516c89a582d8@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457143839 24752 80.91.229.3 (5 Mar 2016 02:10:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 02:10:39 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 05 03:10:32 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ac1fr-0002ML-ME for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2016 03:10:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44374 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ac1fq-0002Dt-W2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:10:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48180) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ac1fd-0002C8-DQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:10:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ac1fa-0005BJ-8D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:10:17 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:46162) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ac1fa-0005BE-15 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:10:14 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ac1fR-000282-9k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2016 03:10:07 +0100 Original-Received: from 221.222.150.241 ([221.222.150.241]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 05 Mar 2016 03:10:05 +0100 Original-Received: from sdl.web by 221.222.150.241 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 05 Mar 2016 03:10:05 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 221.222.150.241 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAGFBMVEUzRVhbQj4eZqO6SjnT eWpxnMetm5b6/PmidmqrAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEwAACxMBAJqcGAAAAAd0SU1F B9cBBwMLBfKABCMAAAFoSURBVCjPtZI9a8MwEIaFoc7aYDdelQMna0Em3tsSr0XUeE2Q6a22a+v+ fk8fSSBkbDUI6dHpfe9OEvRgiD+ApqKPJgJeB6iUUXWESjUe/ig38AJrhqqvaU2nTIXbNvOQ40fe qdry4kyGoVWsfCQalXpHnJGM01wjWdYbMlXNFdsZDO69m9aqNqxEJqTEgbM5OF7wlEfIoll1Ked4 LbM5X2EdILLokEdmI8z7g5cKED0cuTC930TYhy7ZDekkXVGw/L60TguJePPxcJF48lpsSUWEA/Ju jGFNgJOXc4Hz7TmAdBeu5Ve4AEjOi2/2jfd3cAJZ+IbNrvdjgBZY01b+HTuG3cLws6BJZqVOj/pp T0OqVwx3rFq+QmJwx3loK5JSLEhDIt62+mtC2C+SrAUxEbV6C6v2BRbd6pILBKFpepKZJHgGgrKF sptSUUoczpwg2pQ7ZH1tgs0ou/917mzz6Cs2//C978cv5l07L02orIEAAAAASUVORK5CYII= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (OS X 10.11.3) Cancel-Lock: sha1:nhO5VWErDFZfzTBUK4zsmi1VOhI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200932 Archived-At: On 2016-03-04 18:10 +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > In this case, though, maybe we should revert the revert, all things > considered. I love to hear the `all things' that you have considered? Make a trivial change is trivial but I would like to know we have enough justification to change something that people have grown dependent in the past 10 years. Care to elaborate? I am tired of people claiming representing 90ish% users when there is only just one or two (at most a handful) disregard the silent majority. No users will come and praise how good some feature is. What we know is nobody has complaint anything in the past 10 years. This is hard evidence. Leo