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[93.102.183.150]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s191-v6sm1370482wmd.27.2018.06.19.12.40.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 19 Jun 2018 12:40:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83lgbasoev.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:59:20 +0300") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::243 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226533 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> BTW, why does CONTRIBUTE tell us to "make check" at all? > Is this a tricky question? Because I think the answer is clear to > all. Sorry if it sounded like a gotha, but my point was precisely that no clear policy exists. I notice a couple of paragraphs above it says "please test your changes before commiting to the master branch". But for me it's still not clear if that means "don't commit if you've broken any tests"." I do the latter, and try to influence others to work like this, but perhaps the phrasing is purposedly vague so other workflows can be accomodated. Urgent fixes may justify breaking some tests (and that's why I asked what Alan's change did). > OK, I think it's time to stop this dispute. It isn't going anywhere, > and we basically agree on most aspects of this. OK, let's. Jo=C3=A3o