From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Liu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A unified project root interface Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:48:00 +0800 Message-ID: References: <20130309174419.6e1cadb4@forcix.kollektiv-hamburg.de> <87hakh2299.fsf@fimbulvetr.bsc.es> <513FBA1C.5040100@siege-engine.com> <87vc8vyy66.fsf@engster.org> <5143C11D.8070705@siege-engine.com> <87sj3vv35h.fsf@engster.org> <20130316160203.6b889aba@forcix.kollektiv-hamburg.de> <87ehffuf1g.fsf@engster.org> <20130317001630.125e1987@forcix.kollektiv-hamburg.de> <87y5dmsz5u.fsf@engster.org> <20130317191817.764a44f5@forcix.kollektiv-hamburg.de> <87ppywtj9s.fsf@engster.org> <87li9juabi.fsf@engster.org> <87d2uvtdeb.fsf@engster.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1363754902 25766 80.91.229.3 (20 Mar 2013 04:48:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 04:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jorgen Schaefer , emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Eric M. Ludlam" , John Yates To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 20 05:48:47 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UIAx6-0007fy-7k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 05:48:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53919 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UIAwj-00053T-63 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 00:48:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51305) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UIAwf-00052C-Jr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 00:48:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UIAwe-0004u6-Al for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 00:48:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-da0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c00::234]:53277) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UIAwe-0004tn-4C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 00:48:12 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-da0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f10so743602dak.11 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:48:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:references:face:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=BoyDS/0bFp1BqRA8IuB0/rxs2Hm5R4rF3tnIQaJluhY=; b=0TRYVEJoFQrD5CgmPYUsLx/dc2FGcBbooYHwX8WumeiGJ7E6+HHVl1roUZFIvJnfHx VGacjy8WVumHoB7VEFihFnUj/5eidvbr2q2nEIZ4j8kWh+cmEXy0WHqNv1AHKa8bpb4b 2NChoF9gmJY75n+pIZty0H8/4TLxNS9WfQm2lvv/DxNDJy8uV8vIJTvg5jSPRqc50Da3 oXsfchcff62lPRelcUGN3CD2zKElzj2nda36++GRycZh6qWpCHcAnH2CmL9PKD8jZF2s 0CMeKrfP0XBdO0SasHT0INubwnlRfSvNPcPdZJJAlNmLnRWtHRuHdJhlVMW6bcLiY+8T 9r6w== X-Received: by 10.68.225.138 with SMTP id rk10mr6869636pbc.146.1363754891003; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([123.108.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ax3sm585873pbd.42.2013.03.19.21.48.06 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACkAAAApAQAAAACAGz1bAAABKElEQVQYlWNg3NIt5FDPUPt7 4+X79Qyucz5/ugik+L2PBgKpyphaIK921q23QDnG0NBQoMr/vaWl9f8ZLL78uPv5PwN7RETfzXoG jhmFz27XM0RXmpuY/WfY+fv0Mc56BvFybfXA/wwL5t/wF61n2PU59axXPcOVzbmSW/8zrNt1benC /ww70hqUU/4zKCtrT9jwn8FhwynbufUMendE2aLqGRpdX9al1zM8eh17lKeeQcTMrdD5P8P3j/YT Q/8zXHSb7p1Qz/C4OM2JuZ7hgtI7K6AjqsMnf8j4z8C6xG1tw3+GqpqvsVn/GTzmpD9j/8/wP/oZ S/l/Bka+QO/g/wy15ueeFQL9N1O8mPU/g+umV3t1gdT0/1bTgHLqYVeXAlWKpMWt+w8Az82C9nHf X0cAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:21:54 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (OS X 10.8.3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:157981 Archived-At: On 2013-03-20 11:21 +0800, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Right, preloading EIEIO is not what I was planning to do, indeed. > IOW, I think the challenge is to extract the "project-root" part of EDE > in such a way that it doesn't require preloading as much code. > That might require splitting EIEIO, or some other approach, maybe, > I don't know. I personally would like a package not using any of pseudo-CLOS features unless it is ABSOLUTELY necessary. There are projects with far larger scale and beautifully built before EIEIO came along. Leo