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From: "Daniel Martín" <mardani29@yahoo.es>
To: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
Cc: Darshit Shah <darnir@gnu.org>,  "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com>,
	 Daniel Brooks <db48x@db48x.net>,
	 Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net>,
	"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	 "Jose E. Marchesi" <jemarch@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Sv: Emacs HTTP libraries [was: Re: How to contribute new package to GNU ELPA?]
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:03:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1k0po6e6p.fsf@yahoo.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM9PR09MB4977F8A811C3CE8C43964D3C967D9@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> (Arthur Miller's message of "Tue, 30 Mar 2021 13:12:16 +0200")

Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com> writes:

>
> Thanks for the answer. No idea if there is a consideration to include
> new library or not, I got impression from some other discussions on this
> list, it is rather not.

I also think that having a better networking library could be a great
addition to Emacs.  But before we decide on introducing a curl or wget
dependency, I think we should do some analysis on url.el, to be sure
about the trade-offs of the proposed new approach to do networking,
compared to what we already have.  There's two main points that people
wanted to improve in url.el, according to the comments in this thread:

- url.el has strange/buggy behavior in some scenarios.  For example,
  callbacks are run multiple times, or not at all.  This blog post[1]
  presents some of those problems, but it doesn't offer much details
  about why they happen.  The blog post is from 2016, so things might
  have changed since then.

- url.el is slow compared to using curl as an inferior process.  Again,
  the blog post cites some possible culprits, which I don't know if they
  still apply to Emacs 28, so I think we should profile url.el to
  identify its bottlenecks more precisely.

Once we have concrete numbers that we can compare against a prototype
implementation using libwget2 or libcurl, I think it'd be easier to
justify adding a new dependency to Emacs, or search for other solutions.

[1]: https://nullprogram.com/blog/2016/06/16/



  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-30 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-17 12:11 How to contribute new package to GNU ELPA? stardiviner
2020-12-19  6:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-19  7:08   ` stardiviner
2020-12-19 15:35     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-20  2:12       ` stardiviner
2020-12-20 12:29         ` Emacs HTTP libraries [was: Re: How to contribute new package to GNU ELPA?] Adam Porter
2020-12-20 13:44           ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-28  1:47             ` T.V Raman
2021-03-28 22:42               ` Vladimir Sedach
2021-03-29  9:00                 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-03-29 22:03                   ` Jose E. Marchesi
2021-03-29 22:09                     ` Darshit Shah
2021-03-30 11:12                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-03-30 12:03                         ` Daniel Martín [this message]
2021-03-30 12:46                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-30 12:50                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-30 13:14                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-30 13:39                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-30 13:48                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-30 13:55                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-30 14:25                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-30 14:34                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-30 15:15                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-31 13:36                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-30 16:13                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-03-30 16:21                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-30 16:49                                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-03-30 17:03                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-30 19:53                                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-03-31  1:08                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-31  6:22                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-31  5:54                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-30 20:53                                             ` T.V Raman
2021-03-31  6:02                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-31 16:01                                                 ` read-process-output-max (was: Emacs HTTP libraries) Stefan Monnier
2021-03-31 17:13                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-31 23:05                                                     ` read-process-output-max Stefan Monnier
2021-04-01  7:12                                                       ` read-process-output-max Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-30 18:08                             ` Sv: Emacs HTTP libraries [was: Re: How to contribute new package to GNU ELPA?] Arthur Miller
2021-03-31  8:59                               ` Robert Pluim
2021-03-31 17:21                                 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-04-01 14:23                                   ` Robert Pluim
2021-04-01 16:09                                     ` Daniel Brooks
2021-04-02 12:10                                       ` Robert Pluim
2021-04-01 16:57                                     ` tomas
2021-03-29 23:56                     ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-20 13:56           ` David Engster
2020-12-20 17:27             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-20 14:36           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-20 15:17             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-20 15:23             ` Helmut Eller
2020-12-20 16:02               ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-21  5:47           ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-21 14:17             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-22  5:17               ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-21 16:59             ` Philip K.
2020-12-21 17:23               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-21 17:41                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-21 18:13                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-21 18:18                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-21 23:51                     ` Philip K.
2020-12-22  3:32                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-22  3:35                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 10:38                         ` Philip K.
2020-12-22 16:02                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 16:59                             ` Philip K.
2020-12-22 17:15                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22  5:20               ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-22  6:42                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-22 10:49                 ` Philip K.
2020-12-22 12:03                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-22 13:23                     ` Philip K.
2020-12-23  4:26                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-22 13:04                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-23  4:26                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-23 11:27                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-24  5:51                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-24 12:59                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-25  4:41                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-20 14:18         ` How to contribute new package to GNU ELPA? Stefan Monnier
2020-12-21 14:03           ` stardiviner
2020-12-26  9:09           ` stardiviner
2020-12-26 15:21             ` dick.r.chiang
2020-12-26 20:24               ` Adam Porter
2020-12-26 20:39                 ` Stefan Monnier

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